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Offline Celatid

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Double Weapons Mode
« on: June 15, 2006, 01:29:50 pm »
Basically, a game mode (like realistic or survival or advance), where you can get your choice of any two weapons, even 2 primaries. You could take a spas and a barret, or double steyrs, or if you're feeling particularly suicidal, double LAWs. This would allow for all kinds of new strategies. Well, what do y'all think?
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2006, 01:36:34 pm »
If you are suggesting that you want an option where you can hold two weapons at once:
>How the hell are you gonna manage that?

If you are suggesting that you want an option where you can have two primary weapons:
>Already possible.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2006, 01:42:15 pm »
If you are suggesting that you want an option where you can have two primary weapons:
>Already possible.
I mean that you SPAWN with 2 primarys, NOT dual wielding. It's sort of just luck to have someone fly up to you and hope he has the primary that you want, and you have to stop moving to take the gun. I'd like it so that you choose your two weapons upon spawning.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2006, 01:44:03 pm »
yea some people can't read.

this is a great idea.

see if you can make a poll for it. i'd love to be able to use barrett and maybe mp5 or something, mix and match, this'll be fun. or auto+minigun use the second one to either finish off enemies or bink enemies.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2006, 01:48:10 pm »
I mean that you SPAWN with 2 primarys, NOT dual wielding. It's sort of just luck to have someone fly up to you and hope he has the primary that you want, and you have to stop moving to take the gun. I'd like it so that you choose your two weapons upon spawning.

Why can't it be an option instead of a game mode?

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2006, 03:31:20 pm »
Why can't it be an option instead of a game mode?
Basically, a game mode (like realistic or survival or advance)
what's the difference?
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2006, 03:39:25 pm »
Oh, you misused the term.  Never mind.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2006, 05:16:24 pm »
part of the skill in the game is to kill and then use the enemy's weapon.  Spawning with two guns gives you a too unfair advantage.  There was a good reason why MM implemented 'weaker' secondary weapons...
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2006, 05:17:40 pm »
i think that if you want to have two primaries, you should earn one of them.
Your acting like your having a duel and your opponent gets a pistol and you get a spork.
Isn't that pretty much what it is? I dunno wtf a spork is, I suppose it's way weaker than the pistol since you compared that to this.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2006, 05:55:58 pm »
Oh, you misused the term.  Never mind.
Not really, it's called "realistic mode", "survival mode", and "advance mode".

part of the skill in the game is to kill and then use the enemy's weapon.  Spawning with two guns gives you a too unfair advantage.  There was a good reason why MM implemented 'weaker' secondary weapons...
Unfair? Everyone has the same advantage, how is that unfair? A good reason, yes, because it's fun that way. It's also fun a different way.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2006, 05:58:50 pm »
Oh, you misused the term. Never mind.
Not really, it's called "realistic mode", "survival mode", and "advance mode".

part of the skill in the game is to kill and then use the enemy's weapon. Spawning with two guns gives you a too unfair advantage. There was a good reason why MM implemented 'weaker' secondary weapons...
Unfair? Everyone has the same advantage, how is that unfair? A good reason, yes, because it's fun that way. It's also fun a different way.

for ea:  those aren't game modes - ctf is a game mode, deathmatch is a game mode, realistic is a mode, yes, but not a game mode!
for me:  when i say unfair, imagine the HK being a one-hit kill weapon - everyone has the same advantage so it's even, but it's totally not balanced --- and that's what i meant.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2006, 06:05:29 pm »
for ea:  those aren't game modes - ctf is a game mode, deathmatch is a game mode, realistic is a mode, yes, but not a game mode!
Yeah, I guess that's true.

for me:  when i say unfair, imagine the HK being a one-hit kill weapon - everyone has the same advantage so it's even, but it's totally not balanced --- and that's what i meant.
That's because all the other weapons wouldn't be equal to it. The weapons would remain the same. Picking up a second weapon isn't even that huge of an advantage in a normal game against people who only have secondaries. Some secondaries are more dangerous than most primaries in the right hands. If you've ever played against good knifers and sawers, you know what I'm talking about.  Even the socom is quite dangerous.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2006, 08:07:11 pm »
Thing is, you're going to end up with lots and lots of people using Ruger + Barret, or M79 + MP5.

Basically, there are certain combinations of weapons that are simply too effective when you put them together to allow them to be used without the risks involved in acquiring them mid-combat.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2006, 08:11:39 pm »
You could always make it a pickup, so when you pick it up you get a gun that you predefined in your settings. When it wears off or you die, it's replaced by your secondary.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2006, 09:21:26 pm »
i think that if you want to have two primaries, you should earn one of them.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2006, 09:52:47 pm »
This is alredy possible... first drop your gun at spwn piont. kill yourself. then, drop secondary weapon and pick up primary. u now have 2 primarys. this is ho i use 2 miniguns ;D
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2006, 12:28:42 am »
complaints against dual barret campers would flood the forums.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2006, 02:49:05 am »
This is alredy possible... first drop your gun at spwn piont. kill yourself. then, drop secondary weapon and pick up primary. u now have 2 primarys. this is ho i use 2 miniguns ;D

Yes, everyone knows, that's not what he's asking for.

Celatid, I've actually come up with this exact same idea before, I think it's an awesome addition :) I'd call it 'Commando' mode. I think I only suggested it years ago, I really hope Michal implements it though. By the way...

"Oh no, MP5 + M79 / Ruger + Barret / Barret + Barret is too powerful!" - simple solution...don't play the mode. I never play advance mode but I sure as hell know lots of other people do. Adding this will not ruin the game for you because its entirely optional, so be nice and show support so Michal adds it to the next version :D

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2006, 04:36:28 am »
Sounds interresting. however it is a very unlikely concept. Yes as in spawning with two primary weapons would be a new idea.

But no because, well lets face it, it u want another primary weapon shoot a man then nick it! You have to work for it! Besides the secondary weapons play an important tactical part in the game.

Somebody with a barret and mp5 would be a difficult foe to bring down. Thats hat the soccom is for!

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2006, 05:29:52 am »
BAAAD ideaaa....

just pick up another weap..


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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2006, 11:40:06 am »
complaints against dual barret campers would flood the forums.
Not really, people camp with dual barrets all the time, in fact, barret campers are mainly the only people who can effectively use 2 weapons at this point, because they don't keep moving, and they have time to pick up another gun. Really, the only time I have 2 primaries right now IS when I barret camp. When I rush, I'm getting shot at from all directions, I don't have time to pick up some people's guns. And people say that it's such a huge advantage for certain combinations, like barret + mp5, but I disagree, I use that combo quite often, and I have to say that it's not that hugely great.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2006, 01:28:29 pm »
nahh spas/ruger+mp5/steyr is way  more powerfull


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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2006, 01:35:43 pm »
Just no! IF you want douple waepons just make a mod.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2006, 02:27:45 pm »
Just no! IF you want douple waepons just make a mod.
Ok, Mr. Smartass, how do you propose I mod the game to allow me to spawn with 2 MP5s?
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2006, 03:31:17 pm »
I mean that you SPAWN with 2 primarys, NOT dual wielding. It's sort of just luck to have someone fly up to you and hope he has the primary that you want, and you have to stop moving to take the gun. I'd like it so that you choose your two weapons upon spawning.

Why can't it be an option instead of a game mode?
Or a powerup...
Once you pick it up it gives you this option upon next respawn.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2006, 12:13:25 pm »
Or a powerup...
Once you pick it up it gives you this option upon next respawn.

No, that would hardly affect the game.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2006, 12:21:31 pm »
Yeah a powerup would be pretty much useless, as besides pretty much all the servers I play on have the powerups turned off. Besides, that would be almost the same as picking up a dropped one.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2006, 05:37:37 pm »
i think that if you want to have two primaries, you should earn one of them.

He's right - its more rewarding to have picked up the other gun yourself than if you were able to select it.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2006, 06:14:04 pm »
i think that if you want to have two primaries, you should earn one of them.

He's right - its more rewarding to have picked up the other gun yourself than if you were able to select it.
But it greatly decreases possible strategies. I'm sorry, but picking up a gun isn't an option in regular mode, unless you're a base defender.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2006, 07:56:55 pm »
i think that if you want to have two primaries, you should earn one of them.

He's right - its more rewarding to have picked up the other gun yourself than if you were able to select it.
But it greatly decreases possible strategies. I'm sorry, but picking up a gun isn't an option in regular mode, unless you're a base defender.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2006, 11:09:22 pm »
Thing is, you're going to end up with lots and lots of people using Ruger + Barret, or M79 + MP5.

Basically, there are certain combinations of weapons that are simply too effective when you put them together to allow them to be used without the risks involved in acquiring them mid-combat.

no one would ever do those two.
ruger and barret does the same thing pretty much.

do does m70 and mp5.


m79 with ruger is more likely. no it's fair.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2006, 11:11:30 am »
what do you mean its not an option? :S I don't follow you
Stopping to pick up a gun while you're rushing in inf or ctf is like wearing a big flashing neon sign that says "nade me NOW NOW NOW".
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2006, 06:08:01 pm »
wtf? you must be real crap then since I can do it easy without getting blown away...

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2006, 10:53:56 pm »
Thanks for your immense respect and manners in resulting to ad hominem attacks.

wtf? you must be real crap then since I can do it easy without getting blown away...
Maybe you've just never played against a skilled player.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2006, 10:59:53 pm »
somone made a double weapon mod already, check the mod section...lol its got 4 Deagles haha
Your acting like your having a duel and your opponent gets a pistol and you get a spork.
Isn't that pretty much what it is? I dunno wtf a spork is, I suppose it's way weaker than the pistol since you compared that to this.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2006, 11:21:49 pm »
somone made a double weapon mod already, check the mod section...lol its got 4 Deagles haha
Read the fucking thread.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2006, 11:24:01 pm »
wow calm down dude, i saw people suggesting he made a mod, i never noticed anyone said there was already a mod made
Your acting like your having a duel and your opponent gets a pistol and you get a spork.
Isn't that pretty much what it is? I dunno wtf a spork is, I suppose it's way weaker than the pistol since you compared that to this.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2006, 04:28:56 am »
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2006, 07:21:53 am »
I preferr to take thy gun from ye cold dead hand yarr!!!! ;)

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2006, 07:40:23 am »
Yeah, this topic is pretty much over...
...now if MM could come in and say 'no' and lock the topic so we can all move on... or perhaps an admin could lock it  :P
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2006, 09:27:04 am »
Wow, now I can wield a barret AND a mp5!!

So I can snipe AND spray at the same time!

Dual barret, why? it's one shot kill.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2006, 12:02:15 pm »
you morons can't read.

he's saying there should be a mode where you can have two primary guns instead of a primary and a secondary.

no it wouldn't be unbalanced, because unless you're saying soldat's not balanced  ;), because the choices of guns would still be the same.

I don't think most people would choose the same set...because no one's choosing the same weapon right now anyway, so why would they all just suddenly all use the same weapons if there are two guns to choose?

no it's not a bad idea, and i think it'd be fun.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2006, 08:58:44 pm »
I don't see why it can't be an option. Thumbs up.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2006, 12:51:53 pm »
Just no! IF you want douple waepons just make a mod.
Ok, Mr. Smartass, how do you propose I mod the game to allow me to spawn with 2 MP5s?

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2006, 01:07:02 pm »
sounds good, I wish it was implmented.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2006, 11:31:40 am »
Shrug. I guess it's pretty much pointless to post on these forums, you get spammed to death with trolls and noobs.

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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2006, 08:18:12 pm »

I think it's useless.
You can start soldat without secundary weapon.
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Re: Double Weapons Mode
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2006, 03:03:50 pm »
If you suk so much, that you cant kill another person and get their weapon, then i dont think you good enough to have that ability.