m79 noobish weapon?

[5th_account]

But isnt this the place to complain about how the weapons are unbalanced? How is the game going to improve if people dont stand up and say what they think is wrong with it? Complaining is contributing IMO.

Complaining is just whining unless you're constructive or provide feedback on the experimental solutions.

[popsofctown]

I'm totally constructive and experimental.

[Cube]

yea, sure

[Twistkill]

Think of it this way, "noobs" use the M79 a lot but people who use the M79 are NOT always "noobs".

But about it being over-powered or too easy, In my opinion the balance is the fact that there are other guns to choose if you are getting beat by a certain one in a certain place. Although the M79 is very powerful in places like Nuubia on a map like B2b it is rather weak in some spots due to range. Adjust your playstyle/weapon choice and anyone can be beat no matter what gun they use, especially if you are decent at placing grenades or baiting your opponent to shoot. That being said the M79 and Barret do piss me off when people are really good with them, but I just get annoyed easily.


Edit: Forget the NOT at the beginning....

This is just like me, except I'm not annoyed when someone kills me with the Barrett because I use it. There is a guy I usually play with named Bob, who wears all orange, and uses m79 with good skill, (As in, his skill actually makes me say "ns" whenever I get killed by him) and he is certainly not a noob because of how he plays.

[papercut]

Or you can all stop *****ing, because if you want to complain, you can make your own server/make your own game/leave/die/shove your foot up your misc. holes/shut up.

Actually I cant. My servers are too laggy and no one joins. And the endless supply of botmatches Ive played in the past are not helping me too much.

Date Posted: January 02, 2007, 07:49:42 PM

Think of it this way, "noobs" use the M79 a lot but people who use the M79 are NOT always "noobs".

Thats cool if they use m79 once in a while in a mix of using the rest of the soldat arsenal, but if they constantly use m79 all the time, and actually refuse to use other guns even when you ask, (Which often gets refused a lot even when I actually ask) and whether they are good with it or not, they still remain noobs to me.

[Mr. Domino]

But isnt this the place to complain about how the weapons are unbalanced? How is the game going to improve if people dont stand up and say what they think is wrong with it? Complaining is contributing IMO.

Complaining is just whining unless you're constructive or provide feedback on the experimental solutions.

In his defense, this was a whining topic from the start. Check the OP and title even. There's no weapon balance being discussed at all.

[papercut]

But isnt this the place to complain about how the weapons are unbalanced? How is the game going to improve if people dont stand up and say what they think is wrong with it? Complaining is contributing IMO.

Complaining is just whining unless you're constructive or provide feedback on the experimental solutions.

In his defense, this was a whining topic from the start. Check the OP and title even. There's no weapon balance being discussed at all.

It was moved. Blame Outcast for his rather poor (IMO) moderating skills.

DONT BAN ME PLZ

[ZWZ]

I think its strange how some people like felix react to people who think that their gun should be powered down.  First they claim they mastered it.  Logically, that means it is very difficult to use, and therefore should not be powered down. (which additionally isn't an excuse, i talk about that in my m79 idea thread).  Then they talk about how great they are at it, and make the assumption that everyone opposing the gun lacks the leet skilz 2 pwn wit it.

I'm not refering to the route itself, but the way people move and how they react to threats. Next time you see a really good m79er, you'll probably notice they rarely get killed by other m79ers. To really know the gun, you know it's weaknesses, and not how to exploit them. Moving the same way over a route or not looking ahead, and most importantly, moving the same rate / direction, especially toward the m79er once spotted are good areas to start at when talking about "movement".


Also, at the scenario jonwood posted about the people camping in base with m79's during ctf. It seems like the gun is overpowered in such a senerio, but in reality, if you could enter freely while there are multiple people waiting for you the m79 would be too weak. Replace those guns with AUGs or the spas. If they are half compitant, you are dead before you can kill anyone, and they can grab the medkit all the same. It's the illusion that the gun itself is overpowered in that senerio, when in reality, it's because there are more players than you, or they can play better than you.

[papercut]

After reading that explanation, I thought of a base ball game. Every encounter you have with a soldat player is like stepping up to the plate. But every weapon changes the rules of the game. If you come into a fight with an mp5, its like trying to hit homruns by balls the pitcher is throwing at a high rate. 8 strikes and your out.

m79s are like the pitcher throwing one ball really fast. one strike and your out. if you miss that ball ONCE and you are already out, that would be frustrating wouldnt it?

Like if I am getting killed with autos and I die, I am able to blame my self ("man I got hit with 8 different bullets in a row, that was all my fault")

but getting hit with an m79... ("Man i got hit only once and im already dead. wtf")

Its the psychology of it that makes it a noob weapon.

[popsofctown]

I'm not refering to the route itself, but the way people move and how they react to threats. Next time you see a really good m79er, you'll probably notice they rarely get killed by other m79ers. To really know the gun, you know it's weaknesses, and not how to exploit them. Moving the same way over a route or not looking ahead, and most importantly, moving the same rate / direction, especially toward the m79er once spotted are good areas to start at when talking about "movement".

i didnt mean to say that there arent levels of mastery with the wep.  It takes little time to become proficient with it, though.   

Date Posted: January 03, 2007, 07:37:04 PM

Also, at the scenario jonwood posted about the people camping in base with m79's during ctf. It seems like the gun is overpowered in such a senerio, but in reality, if you could enter freely while there are multiple people waiting for you the m79 would be too weak. Replace those guns with AUGs or the spas. If they are half compitant, you are dead before you can kill anyone, and they can grab the medkit all the same. It's the illusion that the gun itself is overpowered in that senerio, when in reality, it's because there are more players than you, or they can play better than you.

I would certainly agree that jonwood's scenario doesn't make much sense at proving the m79 to be cheap.

[jettlarue]

Its the psychology of it that makes it a noob weapon.

This really shows a lot of how you think and play the game . In my opinion this game is different because It deals with your mind alot more than most games. This is just one example, the frustration of the game keeps it satisfying to a degree.

[ZWZ]

i didnt mean to say that there arent levels of mastery with the wep. It takes little time to become proficient with it, though.

Perhaps Proficient vs poor or medicore players, and in close up situations it's not too difficult to get a kill. I'd say the real challange is making use of bad matchups ( a lot of them with the m79), people that abuse the obvious positioning weaknesses, and most importantly, kill people point blank without taking damage. Double suicide is a waste of time imo, even going down to 1/2 heath cripples you a lot when you arent facing a barret.

I'd say pound for pound, most autos have better potential in most situations.

Date Posted: January 04, 2007, 05:47:55 PM@ papercut:

Over simplification. You are assuming it's a back and forth game when you fire a gun. Other guns have different arcs, many more chances, and more power /min. Instead of thinking it's fair to be hit by 8 bullets out of 50, 1 bullet every 4 seconds would be a lot easier to dodge. ( if you arent trying to have a fist fight with a m79er)

[JonWood007]

With that scenario i posted, I agree to an extent that IN the base, I would probably be wallpaper either way but at least with AUGS or SPAS's I can get a medkit if im lucky.

But if I am running with a flag under their base, with a spas or AUG, it is unlikely that they can kill me from in the base. They need a 1 hit kill weapon to do that because they have a very short window. Same with going above. I would probably get hit a lot, but at least I would have a chance, not so with the M79.

[ZWZ]

You forget that when chasing someone, the aug is way better than the m79, the range can't be compared.

[papercut]

Of course, but the only person you ever chase in soldat is the EFC. Everything else is a head on collision course.

[n00balici0us]

Oh posh...



It's n00bish because it's t3h E-Z'ness to use. why do you think I use it? My name is n00balici0us for gawd's sake...

just admit it . No hard work FTW *devilish grin*

[popsofctown]

Oh posh...



It's n00bish because it's t3h E-Z'ness to use. why do you think I use it? My name is n00balici0us for gawd's sake...

just admit it . No hard work FTW *devilish grin*

lol, yep, noobs win.  for some reason they are protected by the pro players who don't even play in the pubs that the noobs are in, and as a result, the noobs get to keep their m79.

[a-4-year-old]

m79 can be "mastered" in about a minute, other guns take longer, that makes this the noob gun-O-choice, but what do we do about this horrible truth? What can we do to stop the flooding of m79s in our beloved public servers?

I think we should shorten the range of the m79, even by only 10 speed would make a difference, that way the m79 can still be used as a lethal weapon, but hopefully the people using it will eventually require a more long range weapon and wean themselves off of the m79 and on to a gun that requires more skill, that they hopefully acquired when they used the m79.

If there is any adjustment needed, that should be it.

[popsofctown]

mm no.  i like my idea better, because yours takes a weapon away from the skilled players' soldat arsenal.

[ZWZ]

You can chase anyone you want to kill. Point blanking someone with the m79 and losing half your heath bar isnt even close to "mastering it".

 Any good m79er can master any other gun within a short time, but you can't say the reverse.