m79 noobish weapon?

[CriminalJoe]

ok this is a big problem thats always been going on. the M79 is used by newbs alot this is fact but some people actually are good with it.
ive been playing Soldat for 3-4 years now and the M79 is my 2nd fav weapon (below chainsaw of coarse muahaha). ive gotten pretty exeptionally good with it. not to brag, i can sustain the top of the list in deathmatch with it. even with my years of playing and credible skill, people will still call me a newbie because im tatical with the M79 lol. i do notice that its too commonly used then the other weapons, this is a problem

-NEWBIES USE IT MOST
-PROS USE IT TOO

btw i use Deagles and the HK as much as i do M79 so get off my back kids

[Shadow G-Unit]

Quote by Criminal Joe:

-NEWBIES USE IT MOST
-PROS USE IT TOO

A-f*cking-men

[T-Bone]

also i will say:

Kills less than 15meters: easy/funny/can be annoying

Kills greater than 15 meters (assuming it wasnt just blind spray): Skilled

[The Specialist]

It isn't a noob weapon.  It is only a noobish weapon when it is over used.

[Kagesha]

I say its just a weapon like all others it has already been balanced why call it noobish? Its practically the same as a barret...

[riot act]

I think comparing the barret to the m79 is ridiculous, i am no pro but i have some skill with most weapons and it took me alot longer to get good with the barret compared to the m79. To balance the m79 the should reduce damage so that you need to be hit with the shot to die and give it a shorter range. Thats only what i think though.

[Ele124]

Yeah, the one thing needed to balance, would be to reduce the damage inflicted by m79 so that it only takes 75% of your hp. I agree, comparing barett/M79 is silly.

[Twistkill]

Yeah, the one thing needed to balance, would be to reduce the damage inflicted by m79 so that it only takes 75% of your hp. I agree, comparing barett/M79 is silly.

No, that would cripple it too much. It has to be a one-hit weapon. It is a high yield grenade launched at high speed, you know.

Although I find that the M79 doesn't require as much training than the other weapons do, the range is what makes it balanced. We can't really do much to it anymore to balance it out. 6th_account has said that he's exhausted all possible solutions, and although I still have some resentment towards him for crippling the Minimi (It was my baby ;_;), I have to go on his side.

No delay or longer reload will be implemented, its range was already decreased from 1.3.1... all we can do is stay away from it in large maps like Shau. Obviously, the biggest reason why the M79 seems to be overpowered is because on maps like Arena 2, Nuubia, RatCave, etc. the maps are so small that it's convenient to use, and we cannot do much about it.  Using range to our advantage will obviously require more skill and patience on our part, but it only helps us increase our aim.

[Despair]

M79 != aim and shoot
Barrett is.
M79 = Predict and shoot

That is the skill in m79.

[mxyzptlk]

No, the Barrett isn't aim and shoot. You have to be still, predict movement, avoid being binked.... The Barrett is much harder to use than the m79, which all you have to do is guess the arc and shoot. A prefire delay, just a small one, would be appreciated on my part.

[Xxypher]

Its a great gun I think.

[ScarabGun]

It's a pretty balanced weapon. Although it is one-hit kill, the 3 second reload time is perfect in case the shooter might miss.

[ion1chaos]

one on one, it is pretty easy to kill an m79er. the main problem with this weapon though is that it is sooooo overused that it's not uncommon to face a team with mostly m79ers. it gets impossible to beat them if you're being constantly barraged...but that's not the weapons fault.

[Shadow G-Unit]

It isn't a noob weapon.  It is only a noobish weapon when it is over used.

A-f*cking-men! It is easy to dodge the m79 shot from a distance. All you have to do is prone! Anyways a lot of the so called "n00bs" that use it could hardly even aim with it. I was in u13 DM today and I played with a whole bunch of m79 "n00bs" and they missed me like I was teleporting (sarcasm)! Unbelievable! If the m79 was too cheap, then Michal would just take it off, simple as that.

[shyo]

What I don't get is all the people complaining it is to easy to kill with, it's a "point and click" weapon. If I move my crosshair over an enemy and just click, I am gonna miss completely because it has a curved angle. Sure, at a very close range it is very easy to kill, but it might hurt you aswell. A grenade and a couple of rounds from any other weapon would do just the same.

edit: back in 1.2.1 and earlier, M79 had such a low range you were called cheater and the alikes if you could do decent stuff with it. To bad it all changed ...

[StabZilla]

M79 != aim and shoot
Barrett is.
M79 = Predict and shoot

That is the skill in m79.

It isn't a noob weapon.  It is only a noobish weapon when it is over used.

I concur with these statement entirely.



I am an m79 user myself, and, having had experience with other weapons, I find that it is by far one of the hardest weapons to use, but I use it because when used properly, it is also one of the best.

A lot of people seem to think that it is very easy to kill people with it, just because it is a one-hit-kill, but it requires a lot of skill and knowledge of the game to be able to ever get that far with it, mainly because of how slow the grenade itself is, and how much it curves towards the ground, plus the fact that you only have one shot with it, and if you miss with one, you're already fucked by the time you've pulled out a knife or a chainsaw.

As a result of that, an m79 user needs to predict people's actions and reaction - for example, as soon as you fire, you may have aimed perfectly, but by the time your m79 grenade explodes, the person you were trying to hit is on the other side of the screen, tearing you to pieces with a sub-machine gun. You need to aim where the enemy will go, not where they are, as is the case with most other guns.

Another skill-demanding disadvantage is the fact that you cannot use it in any real sort of long range combat. It is simply impossible. The grenade fired doesn't travel far enough.



Admittedly, it can be a very cheap weapon, and can be used very noobishly, and is not difficult to just completely fluke your way to the top scorer with, but, the fact is, to use it properly requires skill.





Personally, I think anyone who thinks an m79 is a noobish weapon is either
 a. A noob themself,
 b. Someone who's never actually tried to use it and realised how hard it is, or,
 c. Someone who's just jealous because they can't use an m79 like the person whupping their ass.






Wow, I've been wanting to say that for a while.

Yeah.

[King]

It isn't a noob weapon.  It is only a noobish weapon when it is over used.

That's the truth. I met few guys playing ALL TIME with that gun. Often killed themselves.

[JotEmI[PL]]

I think everything has been already said in this topic but I really have to submit my opinion. I play Soldat for... uhh very long time, almost 5 years I think. The thing is I played with every possible weapon and I found that m79 suits me best at this moment.
I really like that excitement when you know you have to hit with first shot or else you're dead. And I am really sick of being told that I'm a noob. I just like the m79, is that a crime? I could use any other weapon but playing with ...let's say mp5 does not give me so much fun. I'm just bored of other wapons as I will probably be bored of m79  in time. If that happens I will switch to other weapon but right now I want to use good old m79.
Now for those who still think persons like me are noobs try using m79 yourself. You'll see it needs a lot of skill and experience to be succesfull with it.
So people don't call a noob every m79er you see 'cause some of them are really good players that just like that weapon same as you like yours. 

Oh and I totally agree with StabZilla post.

[KorrupT MerC]

M79 != aim and shoot
Barrett is.
M79 = Predict and shoot

That is the skill in m79.

It isn't a noob weapon. It is only a noobish weapon when it is over used.

I concur with these statement entirely.



I am an m79 user myself, and, having had experience with other weapons, I find that it is by far one of the hardest weapons to use, but I use it because when used properly, it is also one of the best.

A lot of people seem to think that it is very easy to kill people with it, just because it is a one-hit-kill, but it requires a lot of skill and knowledge of the game to be able to ever get that far with it, mainly because of how slow the grenade itself is, and how much it curves towards the ground, plus the fact that you only have one shot with it, and if you miss with one, you're already ****ed by the time you've pulled out a knife or a chainsaw.

As a result of that, an m79 user needs to predict people's actions and reaction - for example, as soon as you fire, you may have aimed perfectly, but by the time your m79 grenade explodes, the person you were trying to hit is on the other side of the screen, tearing you to pieces with a sub-machine gun. You need to aim where the enemy will go, not where they are, as is the case with most other guns.

Another skill-demanding disadvantage is the fact that you cannot use it in any real sort of long range combat. It is simply impossible. The grenade fired doesn't travel far enough.



Admittedly, it can be a very cheap weapon, and can be used very noobishly, and is not difficult to just completely fluke your way to the top scorer with, but, the fact is, to use it properly requires skill.





Personally, I think anyone who thinks an m79 is a noobish weapon is either
 a. A noob themself,
 b. Someone who's never actually tried to use it and realised how hard it is, or,
 c. Someone who's just jealous because they can't use an m79 like the person whupping their ass.






Wow, I've been wanting to say that for a while.

Yeah.

Just to clear this up, im am not trying to put you down, and this isnt directed at you, but you posted it

When i first started playing soldat, i sucked with every weapon... haha guess which one i dominated with... m79. The fact you say it is one of the MOST difficult weapons to handle and requires a bunch of ''skill and knowledge of the game'' is an overstatement, actually i find it to be the easiest to handle, in both realistic and normal modes.

Their isnt much skill to it, you can only really call it skilled when its not used in one of its own dominated (small) maps. The fact that you are closer to walls and the ground, make it that much bigger of an advantage, even if you miss, the splash damage can still be enough to kill you especially when not everyone stays at 100% health all the time.

Although i do not share the opinions of most others here because i honestly dont have problems against m79 users, basically you have to understand what the m79 is capable of to use that knowledge against them. You have to realise this game is trying to resemble real-life weapons and physics, as best it can, a grenade launcher is supposed to be more powerful than an assault rifle, its just common sense. If you hate the fact of this, dont play the game OR learn from your mistakes OR just deal with it and remember not to join the military, you really wont be satisfied then.

The fact that its over-used i can agree with though, but who am i to stop a newb from using it? I can understand the newb's position because i was one myself, and no im not saying im pro but i've played this game long enough to understand most of the weapons and how to use them correctly, and how not to whine about how im killed by an m79 when you can easily deal the same damage to them, with 15 other weapons of your choice.

I think this thread is pointless and any like it, the weapons dont need to be ''balanced'' the people who use the weapons need to be ''balanced''.

[why123]

Heh. I don't think it is really a noob weapon, but then again... I play in R/S. If you use that and miss your enemy you are likely to die.  One hit kill weapon, but yet IMO at least, it seems to require a bit of skill.  WOW Gold