Who has had experiances with god?

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@papercut: He can believe what he wants, but I am still gonna prove him wrong, cause the stuff that happens to him clearly have nothing to do with God.

Plus, would u like someone to believe in something that is not true? dont think so

Clearly? What about it clears everything up? Maybe it was God that opened the door for him. Nothing else clears it up.

And it's okay if they believe in something that you think is untrue, because it's better to have something to look forward to than to meander around wondering, wondering, and wondering. If you try to prove people's beliefs wrong, it gets them pissed. Let's take a peek at the war shall we? If we weren't in Iraq trying to turn the government that they think is right into a democracy that they don't want to live by, there wouldn't be so many rebels out there that want us dead. We're trying to prove their beliefs wrong, and it would have been fine if we just let them believe what they want to believe.

[Smegma]

@papercut: He can believe what he wants, but I am still gonna prove him wrong, cause the stuff that happens to him clearly have nothing to do with God.

Plus, would u like someone to believe in something that is not true? dont think so

Clearly? What about it clears everything up? Maybe it was God that opened the door for him. Nothing else clears it up.

And it's okay if they believe in something that you think is untrue, because it's better to have something to look forward to than to meander around wondering, wondering, and wondering. If you try to prove people's beliefs wrong, it gets them pissed. Let's take a peek at the war shall we? If we weren't in Iraq trying to turn the government that they think is right into a democracy that they don't want to live by, there wouldn't be so many rebels out there that want us dead. We're trying to prove their beliefs wrong, and it would have been fine if we just let them believe what they want to believe.

So I believe that you should show no political/religious/any other views.

In fact, you shouldn't be posting anything or even speaking.

[Vltava]

And it's okay if they believe in something that you think is untrue, because it's better to have something to look forward to than to meander around wondering, wondering, and wondering. If you try to prove people's beliefs wrong, it gets them pissed. Let's take a peek at the war shall we? If we weren't in Iraq trying to turn the government that they think is right into a democracy that they don't want to live by, there wouldn't be so many rebels out there that want us dead. We're trying to prove their beliefs wrong, and it would have been fine if we just let them believe what they want to believe.

Actually, the majority of Iraqis would like a western democracy; it's those few insurgents who don't.

[Pienne]

THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT RELIGION NOT ABOUT FUCKING IRAQ

[frogboy]

God wanted them to invade Iraq.

[Wolf_Man]

THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT RELIGION NOT ABOUT ****ING IRAQ

its not about neither, its a bout your experiances with god, like mi ne was the door...

someoen lock this topic please

[Sethamundo]

THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT RELIGION NOT ABOUT ****ING IRAQ

its not about neither, its a bout your experiances with god, like mi ne was the door...

someoen lock this topic please

Why lock it, just go back on topic.

[Wraithlike]

Everything I've ever done has been an experience with god, because I am my own god...



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[VijchtiDoodah]

One major thing was I got into a car wreck when I wasn't buckled up, smashed my head on the car door, and had a HUGE glass window explode infront of my face and all I got was a few pieces of glass in my elbow. If that isn't a miracle I don't know what is..

Might have been a miracle, but I have an alternate explanation: the window did exactly what it was supposed to do.  Car windows are designed to burst outward while the few edge pieces fall straight down.

Seriously some of you guys shouldnt constantly be trying to be proving each other wrong. If he wants to believe what he wants to believe, then don't try to figure out every possible way that his experiences had nothing to do with God.

On the contrary, the best type of person is one that tests your beliefs to ensure that you're believing something worthwhile and not some invented fairy tale.


Also, stop spamming, Captain Ben.  Or at least be funny when you do.

[oneironaut]

atheist, theist... there really isn't much division between the two.�  theists are inclined to believe that God exists as a being who is always already within, and at the same outside of, the metaphysical notions of being, presence, revealability.�  That is, God as a being-in-the-world and also existing BEYOND all discernable characteristics of being; being beyond being.�  �  Atheists... by way of 'contrast', discredit the notion of God precisely because it is something that is beyond the conceivable...�  being beyond the recognizably ontological.�  there is no binary: disbelief in being non-being, or belief in non-being being.�  �  �  � 

[VijchtiDoodah]

At its base, your post has a philosophical argument several hundreds of years in the making.  But it gets all muddled up because of the way you write.  (Read Rowe's Two Criticisms of the Cosmological Argument, which is a reformation of Aquinas' The Five Ways -- you'll like those)

[PANZERCATWAGON]

Seriously some of you guys shouldnt constantly be trying to be proving each other wrong. If he wants to believe what he wants to believe, then don't try to figure out every possible way that his experiences had nothing to do with God.

On the contrary, the best type of person is one that tests your beliefs to ensure that you're believing something worthwhile and not some invented fairy tale.

Believing something worthwhile?

Ok, so say God isn't actually real for instance. Is there any difference then between them believing something that is 'worthwhile' or just a 'fairy-tale'?

In the end, you can't ensure someones beliefs are worthwhile. Believing that the moon has a core made of cheese or God existing are both perfectly acceptable even though you may seperate them into believable and unbelievable because they may both be wrong or right.

[VijchtiDoodah]

Believing something worthwhile?

Ok, so say God isn't actually real for instance. Is there any difference then between them believing something that is 'worthwhile' or just a 'fairy-tale'?

Yes.  In the first situations, they are justified in their beliefs.  The second is the same as a grown person believing in Santa.

In the end, you can't ensure someones beliefs are worthwhile.

Sure you can.  If they can prove that their belief is plausible, then they have a worthwhile belief.

[PANZERCATWAGON]

Believing something worthwhile?

Ok, so say God isn't actually real for instance. Is there any difference then between them believing something that is 'worthwhile' or just a 'fairy-tale'?

Yes. In the first situations, they are justified in their beliefs. The second is the same as a grown person believing in Santa.

Haha, I could say the same about someone believing in God. I find it amusing.

In the end, you can't ensure someones beliefs are worthwhile.

Sure you can. If they can prove that their belief is plausible, then they have a worthwhile belief.

A plausability is the requirement for a worthwhile belief huh? Plausability comes from opinion on whether something is accepted or credible. Years ago people acceptingly believed the entire world was flat, then when mankind developed and explored they found that the earth was infact round. Now if there was a man who believed the world was flat, years ago you would have said that was a plausable belief but today you would say that the mans belief was a 'fairy-tale'.

Whether something is plausable or not we decide relative to our understanding of the world around us. Which means that even if everyone else thinks our beliefs are not worthwhile, in reality only the person can decide that depending on their trust in their belief.

[VijchtiDoodah]

Yes. In the first situation, they are justified in their beliefs. The second is the same as a grown person believing in Santa.

Haha, I could say the same about someone believing in God. I find it amusing.

Yeah, you could say that about anything.  That's the point.

In the end, you can't ensure someones beliefs are worthwhile.

Sure you can. If they can prove that their belief is plausible, then they have a worthwhile belief.

A plausability is the requirement for a worthwhile belief huh? Plausability comes from opinion on whether something is accepted or credible. Years ago people acceptingly believed the entire world was flat, then when mankind developed and explored they found that the earth was infact round. Now if there was a man who believed the world was flat, years ago you would have said that was a plausable belief but today you would say that the mans belief was a 'fairy-tale'.

Whether something is plausable or not we decide relative to our understanding of the world around us. Which means that even if everyone else thinks our beliefs are not worthwhile, in reality only the person can decide that depending on their trust in their belief.

You're taking the way I used 'plausibility' slightly out of context, but you're on the right track.

Years ago, if someone believed the world was flat, they just might be believing in something worthwhile simply because they could justify it.  However, if they were unable to justify their beliefs, they'd be believing a fairytale.  It's as simple as that.

Likewise if they believed that the world was round, they'd still be believing in a fairytale unless they found justification for it.

This is completely independent of what conventional wisdom was at the time.  I might also add that conventional wisdom throughout much of history held that the Earth was round, by the way.

[Rhombus]

Why does every single topic about religion end up as a "religions suck because god doesn't exist"-thread?
Does he exist?
Does he not?
Frankly, I don't give a damn. Science is actually a religion all by itself. Scientists just do stuff, and draw conclusions. They may have drawn the wrong conclusions... maybe there is no such thing as a positron. Maybe, there are no quarts... maybe there is something up there, that created our pityful little world. Maybe god is a purple pancake.... None of us knows... and so many of us seem to care.

[oneironaut]

At its base, your post has a philosophical argument several hundreds of years in the making. But it gets all muddled up because of the way you write. (Read Rowe's Two Criticisms of the Cosmological Argument, which is a reformation of Aquinas' The Five Ways -- you'll like those)

was that aimed at my post?

[Dascoo]

No I haven't. Or maybe I have. Someone's giving me bad luck.

[VijchtiDoodah]

At its base, your post has a philosophical argument several hundreds of years in the making. But it gets all muddled up because of the way you write. (Read Rowe's Two Criticisms of the Cosmological Argument, which is a reformation of Aquinas' The Five Ways -- you'll like those)

was that aimed at my post?

Yep.

[a-4-year-old]

God won't appear in a bright shining light to you all, you either find him or you never look.