This is my opinion on the beta balance.

[mar77a]

Steyr & Spas are overpowered in the balance. I wonder why you guys decided they don't have enough power in the current 1.3.1 balance. General opinion is that they are actually overpowered on the current version! Rest of the weapons fine, good job with the Barret, Ruger. The minigun damage boost might be a bit excessive.

[papercut]

Steyr's bink is too high

Spas has too short of a range.

This why I think they are not overpowered. But this is my opinion.

[MofoNofo]

Steyr is overpowered??? I can barely kill with it as it is..

Although maybe it isn't the "laggers weapon of choice"

[Veritas]

Seeing as the link to the experimental balance seems to be down, I can't really comment on the exact details, but I agree that the Steyr and Spas do not need to be made any more powerful.

Steyr's bink is too high

I assume you mean self-bink, as its regular bink is negative. Even then, the steyr is already very accurate, even at long distances, and its not hard to negate large amounts of self-bink. The damage is low, yes, but the speed more than makes up for it.

Spas has too short of a range.

This sort of sounds like you're working in theory-Soldat as opposed to real Soldat. Shotguns are supposed to have extreme drop-offs in effectivity at everything but the short-range, but thats not the case. If you're shooting across the map, yes, the Spas isn't going to do it. If you're aiming at something in your screen, you still have a good change of hitting, especially if you are above them.
Also, you can shotgun boost yourself, flags, etc., as well as being able to reload any number of bullets and be able to shoot.

[ultraman]

I think the spas could use +3-5 speed. The Steyr could use about +2 or 3 to damage, and the minigun needs about +5-7.

[popsofctown]

the spas definitely needs a boost.  why should people even use the spas if they can blow people up with an m79 in all the situations you use it for?

[mar77a]

Spas is perfect for spraying and boosting (self and others), plus it comes reloaded.

[ElGato]

the spas definitely needs a boost.  why should people even use the spas if they can blow people up with an m79 in all the situations you use it for?

M79 is easier to dodge, Spas reloads faster, Spas can bink, Spas doesn't hurt when you boost, etc.

The Steyr's self bink problem is easily solved by tapping or firing in relatively small bursts.

[a-4-year-old]

i like my ruger so as long as the spray from the aug is too self binked to do any damage i'll be good.

ruger has it's share of bink and selfbink, in normal you might as well use the deagles barret or spas, because combined they have mostly the same properties as the ruger.

[Dev1200]

Spas-12 is supposed to have a short range, it's a shotgun ;\

Aug is fine, quicherbichen!

[popsofctown]

Spas-12 is supposed to have a short range, it's a shotgun ;\

Aug is fine, quicherbichen!

yes

[1010011010]

Why are people even discussing the beta balance if nobody but beta testers are even supposed to have the beta version of Soldat?

[ZWZ]

Why are people even discussing the beta balance if nobody but beta testers are even supposed to have the beta version of Soldat?

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39.0

Read the sticky

[1010011010]

You know I don't read.

[dudeguy]

i respect anyone who can use the spas well

[Sytrus]

Steyr is way overpowered in the beta balance, yeah. Also the AK is totally screwed in the Beta Balance because it should have way more power.

[5th_account]

How is steyr overpowered? And Ak acctually does more damage over time than now.

[Sytrus]

No, it doesnt >_> look at that:

// Changes from default -> this
// Deagles :   dmg +1, reload -8
// HK MP5 :   dmg -2, reload +10, bink +9
// AK :      dmg -10, fireinterval -1, moveacc +1, bink +18
// Steyr :   moveacc +1, bink +13
// Spas :   speed +1, fireinterval -1
// Ruger :   dmg +2
// M79 :   speed -3, bink -5
// Barret :   moveacc +1
// Minimi :   dmg -1, moveacc +1, bink +34
// Minigun :   dmg +2, bink +2
// Socom :   dmg -1
// Knife :   --
// Chainsaw :   fireinterval -2, speed +6, reload +60, ammo +100
// LAW :   reload -60


Okay, I'll pick it apart for you:

// Deagles :   dmg +1, reload -8
This seems pretty okay to me, maybe the reload is too fast.

// HK MP5 :   dmg -2, reload +10, bink +9
This is the first that I don't like: The best exemple for how weapons loose power. Why did the MP5 get -2 dmg? I don't understand that, killing takes already way too much time, in conclusion, all the weapons should get +5 dmg from where they are now.


// AK :      dmg -10, fireinterval -1, moveacc +1, bink +18
OMG! WHY? This is the most cruelful thing to me. The AK is supposed to be the strongest Auto in the game! But this balance absolutely screwed it all up. No offense to anybody, but this is the major flaw of the whole balance.

// Steyr :   moveacc +1, bink +13
Overpowerd.Because the other Autos lost all of their dmg, they're equal or even below the Steyr, wich TOTALLY screwed the balance.

// Spas :   speed +1, fireinterval -1
This is very okay in this new way.

// Ruger :   dmg +2
Not this. The Ruger can already be a one hit kill if you're lucky, but now it's become way more often. It should loose a lot of it's dmg, simply because it'll become a C2K weapon.

// M79 :   speed -3, bink -5
Here, the reload needs to be a lot longer.


// Barret :   moveacc +1
Yeah, this is okay I'd say.

// Minimi :   dmg -1, moveacc +1, bink +34
This is also pretty good. But the bink should be lower a bit.

// Minigun :   dmg +2, bink +2
Yup, this one'S now very good.

// Socom :   dmg -1
Meh. Not less damage, the Socom should stay as it is.

// Chainsaw :   fireinterval -2, speed +6, reload +60, ammo +100
I'm not a sawer, but I think the fireinterval shouldn't be changed, and same with the reload.

// LAW :   reload -60
Here I'd also like to see no changes.

[Toumaz]

No, it doesnt >_>

Yes, it does:

Damage * Speed = Strength

Mp5: 102 * 189 = 19278
Ak: 103 * 240 = 24720

[Clawbug]

No, it doesnt >_>

Yes, it does:

Damage * Speed = Strength

Mp5: 102 * 189 = 19278
Ak: 103 * 240 = 24720

Wtf? I kindly asked from MM how does speed affect to the damage, gave my theory, and what did I got? "It is calculated by CPU". >_>

Thanks fore the info though, if this is correct.