stronger desert eagles?

[Gold]

The deagles are fine, leave em alone

[Chunky]

yeh desert eagles shood be stronger. And thay shood be longer ranged

[Cato269]

Leave the deagles, its amazing how many people want them buffed.

IF you boost the damage the deagles do, people will leave ruger for deagles then you'll want to boost the ruger.

If you boost the ruger people will leave more autos.

It's a loop of weapon tweaking, eh?

I think the only weapon that needs tweaking in the minigun, lag wise

[Sanitars]

Deagles are great the way they are, they are just difficult to master. Their arc and stuff. Today I was doing triple kills in Arena 2 all the time with it in a public server so it's not that bad

[blackbeltbil]

in the new version of the game the d.eagles need to be at least 5 times as strong because they shoot 2 50 CAL. bullets

50 CAL!!!!!

[Cato269]

in the new version of the game the d.eagles need to be at least 5 times as strong because they shoot 2 50 CAL. bullets

50 CAL!!!!!

this is not real life. it it was, we would only be using ONE deagle, and the servers would be over run by barretards becuase you'ld be able to pump out all the 10 shots in under 7 seconds. We have allreayd gone to the barretard overrun, lets NOT go there again.

[Zergling]

No bink makes them perfect weapon...
But it's not as easy to master as mp5 or ak.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

in the new version of the game the d.eagles need to be at least 5 times as strong because they shoot 2 50 CAL. bullets

50 CAL!!!!!

Yes, and the minigun needs to be mounted on a helicopter to fire (http://wiki.soldat.nl/XM214_Minigun).

This is a game, not real life.

Anyway, the desert eagles are definitely powerful enough.  I've been killed in two shots by them.  Sometimes the ruger even takes three shots to kill.  Add a seven-shot clip and a fast firing and reload time, and you have the perfect weapon.

But it's not as easy to master as mp5 or ak.

Of course it's not.  With autos, you just have to aim in the right direction and you'll hit people.

When i was a noob i played with desert eagles alot but as started to play more with other guns i switched to the AK 74.But this weopan should be strong like real strong.I mean its got a 7 round mag it should get upgraded.The spas is stronger then the eagles shouldnt the eagles be 1 up but ltone down on the accuracy?I just need some help figurein out this one.

how about more accuracy that would be better.

How about more damage, less accuracy?  No wait, how about more accuracy?

How about you learn to use them and stop complaining.  The shotgun is stronger than almost any weapon at short range.  If you're losing to people with the shotgun, STAY OUT OF RANGE.  The shotgun loses a LOT of effectiveness over longer distance, and the desert eagles have a slightly longer range that the shotgun.

Ive been deagling for atleast 2 years (not the whole time o.o), and they definatly need a small boost. Every other weapon in soldat is balanced except for the deagles.

My friend has used the desert eagles for six months, and he dominates with them.  I've picked them up a month ago and I think they're pretty good.

Aiming is just a matter of compensating for the arc.  Once you've got that down, you'll be dropping enemies left and right.

If the desert eagles are unbalanced, it's because they are too strong.

Gamer_2k4

[Twistkill]

But it's not as easy to master as mp5 or ak.

Of course it's not.  With autos, you just have to aim in the right direction and you'll hit people.

I agree with everything else you've said except for that. Autos do require good aim, despite what many people think. A lot of people say "OMGZ SPRAI1!111!1!one!" whenever they're killed by an auto user from far away. The autos take about 8 bullets to kill, there is a bink, and with the Minimi, in particular, the reload time is quite long. The deagles are fine, imo, and they are hard to master, I agree, but saying all you have to do is point and click with an auto is kinda biased. After actually trying all of the weapons, I believe they're all balanced except for the M79 and the minigun. The M79 is over-powered because it has no bink, a very quick reload time, good speed, and splash damage. The minigun is under-powered because it takes an unusually long time to kill someone with it, and it looks like the best weapon to all of the noobs because it's big and it fires fast. :/

[Rai-Dei]

No, More damage wont save anything. they are perfect now...I belive they, the spas and the Ruger are the best balenced. If your good and they all register it can be  2 shot headkill (I've done it many times)

[Mr. Domino]

Yes, and the minigun needs to be mounted on a helicopter to fire (http://wiki.soldat.nl/XM214_Minigun).

Sorry for the off-topic nitpick, but the XM214 Minigun is only 30 pounds (87 with equipment and ammo) and was solely designed for individual use. Just cause someone posted something on the Soldat Wiki doesn't make it true.

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Machine-Guns/GE_XM214_Minigun.htm

[Shadow G-Unit]

The Desert Eagles are fine! They are strong enough.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Yes, and the minigun needs to be mounted on a helicopter to fire (http://wiki.soldat.nl/XM214_Minigun).

Sorry for the off-topic nitpick, but the XM214 Minigun is only 30 pounds (87 with equipment and ammo) and was solely designed for individual use. Just cause someone posted something on the Soldat Wiki doesn't make it true.

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Machine-Guns/GE_XM214_Minigun.htm

Did you even read the article you linked to?

"The XM214 Automatic Gun (aka the Minigun) was developed for use mounted in and on helicopters and light aircraft."

"After some experimenting it was thus realized that the gun would simply be too heavy and cumbersome to be ever used in real life combat, and the concept was abandoned. No army in the world has a hand-held Minigun in its arsenal."

These are quotes DIRECTLY FROM YOUR ARTICLE!!!

Anything in that article that suggests that one person can use a minigun by himself is either a description of a movie or an alteration so that the gun can be used in an RPG.  Both of these are forms of fiction, and should not be considered a "realistic" view of the gun.

Have you ever tried carrying a gun that weighed "only" 30 pounds, much less shoot it?  It's not very easy...

[Mr. Domino]

Did you even read the article you linked to?

Yep! It's obvious you didn't finish reading it, either. An individual manned version was made -- numberous websites mention it exists, including Wikipedia, various military weaponry pages, and others. That it was never mass produced for combat gear doesn't deny it exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM214_minigun

Have you ever tried carrying a gun that weighed "only" 30 pounds, much less shoot it?  It's not very easy...

It'd take a good amount of strength, but a minigun wouldn't be a pistol you'd hold outright. You've surely carried 80 pounds before strapped to your back. Your body supports the gun, not your arms.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Sorry for the off-topic nitpick, but the XM214 Minigun is only 30 pounds (87 with equipment and ammo) and was solely designed for individual use.

Did you even read the article you linked to?

Yep! It's obvious you didn't finish reading it, either. An individual manned version was made -- numberous websites mention it exists, including Wikipedia, various military weaponry pages, and others. That it was never mass produced for combat gear doesn't deny it exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM214_minigun

First of all, you claim that it was designed SOLELY for individual use.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM214_minigun:
"First developed for aircraft applications, the XM214 was later offered by General Electric as a man-portable weapon system, known as the GE Six-Pak."

Secondly, you claim it was developed for INDIVIDUAL manned use.

"The system could be carried by a team of two soldiers and mounted either to a M122 tripod or a vehicle's pintle mount"

I agree it can be transported manually.  But "individual" pertains to a single person, and the gun requires at least two people to operate.  Even then, it was often placed on a vehicle, or at least in a tripod.

My point was, the XM214 was not originally nor exclusively designed for manned use.  Practical applications of it generally involved mounting it on a vehicle.  I do not deny it could be fired and carried by people, but that is the exception, not the rule.

[Mr. Domino]

First of all, you claim that it was designed SOLELY for individual use.

Secondly, you claim it was developed for INDIVIDUAL manned use.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. We are talking about the gun in the game, Soldat. It is modeled after a prototype that was designed solely for individual use. It was fully developed with this intent. Was it successful? No, the gun proved to be too bulky for soldiers in practice, and thus was never mass produced. That doesn't change anything said, and I suggest you read more carefully and with less of a kneejerk reaction next time. 

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

First of all, you claim that it was designed SOLELY for individual use.

Secondly, you claim it was developed for INDIVIDUAL manned use.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. We are talking about the gun in the game, Soldat. It is modeled after a prototype that was designed solely for individual use. It was fully developed with this intent.

MY comprehension is lacking?? I responded to your post with direct quotes from YOUR sources!

"The XM214 Automatic Gun (aka the Minigun) was developed for use mounted in and on helicopters and light aircraft."

"First developed for aircraft applications, the XM214 was later offered by General Electric as a man-portable weapon system, known as the GE Six-Pak."

I don't see how these statements (especially the second one) can be interpreted to mean that the minigun was originally and fully designed for personal use.  Unless "first" and "aircraft" mean something different to you, that is...

Was it successful? No, the gun proved to be too bulky for soldiers in practice, and thus was never mass produced. That doesn't change anything said, and I suggest you read more carefully and with less of a kneejerk reaction next time.

I never supported my argument by saying that the gun wasn't mass produced, or even that it wasn't successful.  If you think I said that, I would appreciate a quotation from my post.  I did admit that a two-man version was created.  My problem was that you seemed to say that it was designed for individual (one person) use.

The sources you listed stated, quite clearly, that the minigun was originally designed to be mounted on aircraft.  My original post said that it required a helicopter to fire.  That wasn't strictly true, but it doesn't change the fact that the minigun WAS designed to be mounted on a vehicle.  My point was that Soldat is not true to life, like blackbeltbil said it should be.

If you have sources that say the minigun was originally designed to be held and fired by one person, post the links and I'll gladly check them out.

[5th_account]

Thread's railed off the topic. *locked*