Mod stealing

[Mangled*]

So what really annoys me is where some complete newb posts a mod... and it's just an accumilation of other peoples content put together badly.

That's not a mod... that's a f*cking waste of space.

I mean.. it's fine if someone asks permission before reusing content.. But even if you're colouring in someone elses outlines without permission.. that's still just lazy and in my mind it's still theft.

So what can be done? Because it annoys the hell out of me to see peoples hard work just being thrown together and passed off as someone elses work.. hell, it's happened to me twice and I've only made one mod so far.

I propose forming a list of 'approved modders' who essentially have no history of it and make all of their mods from scratch (which is how I think every true modder should work)

and of course then only approved modders would have their mods featured in the 1.4 mod archive

So yeah... this is just an idea really..

Thoughts?

[Will]

I have to admit, I've done some such things, but I always asked permission, and credited teh authors if I couldn't contact them. Meh, it's better if you haven't seen my noobish beginnings on soldatmods.tk. (in terms of modding) I think this is a pretty cool idea, but most people don't put so much work in their mods. Only really good modders with some generally aproved mod(s) should be in that list.

[Mangled*]

I have to admit, I've done some such things, but I always asked permission, and credited teh authors if I couldn't contact them.

That's not the problem... the problem is people who post a mod and don't mention a thing about giving credit or asking permission until someone notices that it's been copied from another mod.. at which point the "modder" says.. oh I took a few guns from a few mods.. can't remember which ones.. blaah.. We've seen it plenty of times.

[Henito Kisou]

I am extremely individualist, can be called alienat, outsider, almost sociopathic in nature, so I just cant use someone's work because isn't way to full  satisfaction, maybe faster, helpful to better modding, but I really hate that supporting way.
So I like more that masochistic hours, sometimes in pain to discover how to be better, more pro, almost regular modding god. I always accept weak and strong parts of my mods because I known how make my creations better, just time, practice and imagination, inspiration from my inside.
I never blame newbie or other modder because he stealed my work because my style cant be loony with other. Other members of community flame that modder, I can warning him about stealing, modyfing without permission if really neccessary, that's all, but I really adimit that Mangled's idea, but improved like Hall of Fame, online stats with mods and autors with amount of points, + for individual, creative work and - for copying, stealing parts without permission.
Modder who get limit of - automatically go to Hall of Shame section where can collect more negative points, but can leave that place if make really his work, his awful history still cant be cleared, everyone can view his sins in his profile. This will be special page, online rank for everyone's own satisfaction with modder's profile and mod's profile with external DL links, description and screenshots.
Mod's authencity can be rated by users or admins, moderators judges to prevent stealing/forging mods. Every user can  send special message/warning to Judges to report possible stealing/copying without permission or applause because original, self-maded work, after that stealer, counterfeiter have negative points, original  artist positive points and special note added in modder's activity history. This can be just mods  archive, where other modders can publish his mods and be rated as at most Soldat pages with modding pages, but improved on "white" and "black" list.

[PaFel]

Sometimes I just have a good day for modding. For ex. lastly I reshaded my old Makarow and make it in 7 versions without any problems but one day later I tried to make few guns and only two from six look good. Sometimes I've got really big problems with guns. One day I spend ~2 hours to make outlines of RPK drum magazine. Sometimes I use someones outlines 'cause I think that they're too good lookin' and that I can't nake better ones and that it has no sense to spend few hours to realize that it has no sense.

[TBDM]

i think mods should be looked at by a mod-admin before it can be posted.
(by people who know allot of modding)


stealing other peoples work pisses me off. just proves how lazy some can be (and retarded to think we wont find out)

[Henito Kisou]

Ok, but mostly you always say who is original creator and you recoloured weapon/used someones outline in public information, so everyone known it (like your BF2 mod), not combinatory with hiding that fact or not giving fully weapon's source, so all is ok.
Newbie ripper is stealer when didn't credit author, when he make that, is best if he make most of mod (90% as you say) by his original work, also writing only names of used mods isn't a credit to author!

[PaFel]

Ok, but mostly you always say who is original creator and you recoloured weapon/used someones outline in public information, so everyone known it (like your BF2 mod)

I really didn't put all credits  I'll do it with full mod for sure!

Maybe you don't know that but AK-74U is made using Dairys outlines. As I good remember I used SKs MP7 outlines. Rest I wrote at my topic.

[Dairy]

Ok, but mostly you always say who is original creator and you recoloured weapon/used someones outline in public information, so everyone known it (like your BF2 mod)

I really didn't put all credits I'll do it with full mod for sure!

Maybe you don't know that but AK-74U is made using Dairys outlines. As I good remember I used SKs MP7 outlines. Rest I wrote at my topic.

And did you credit me ? ...did you even ask ? ? ?
I don't think so...but I'm not an idiot and I don't really care. Because all what I make I release for community and I'm not so cocky and selfish.
This topic is just useless and for whiners. Do you think you're a great modders ? Who said so ? Why you judge others even if they didn't took your guns ? Why you didn't contact the owner of the guns otherwise than just flame the hell the newscomers...You looks like you all started as pros and released epic mods ....as I saw you're just whining about thing which is so usuall on internet...if somebody cracks\hacks games music movie or whatever mdon't say that you bought all your games. And the big companies can't do nothing against it...piraci...maybe a wrong example but just think about yourselfs... give to the new modders tips, tutorials, send them links to guids...tell them tips tricks or quick plan of modding.... but you won't...you just make idiotic topic about in section which doesn't really contains the main modding topic... you're much more skilled than the modding newcomers so you should act so. Don't play like child ...crying a river in a freaking topic like this - let's make one against terrorism! (j\k)...well shame on this.

I thought if you're calling a respected modders you will act like that...and get more respect...but you just flame guys which are new to it... really cool. I wish you luck in next flaming the hell topic out of the place.

P.s.: No offence , don't take me wrong, but you dissapointed me...you all.

[PaFel]

And did you credit me ? ...did you even ask ? ? ?

Not yet...

I don't think so...but I'm not an idiot and I don't really care. Because all what I make I release for community and I'm not so cocky and selfish.
This topic is just useless and for whiners. Do you think you're a great modders ? Who said so ? Why you judge others even if they didn't took your guns ? Why you didn't contact the owner of the guns otherwise than just flame the hell the newscomers...You looks like you all started as pros and released epic mods ....as I saw you're just whining about thing which is so usuall on internet...if somebody cracks\hacks games music movie or whatever mdon't say that you bought all your games. And the big companies can't do nothing against it...piraci...maybe a wrong example but just think about yourselfs... give to the new modders tips, tutorials, send them links to guids...tell them tips tricks or quick plan of modding.... but you won't...you just make idiotic topic about in section which doesn't really contains the main modding topic... you're much more skilled than the modding newcomers so you should act so. Don't play like child ...crying a river in a freaking topic like this - let's make one against terrorism! (j\k)...well shame on this.

I thought if you're calling a respected modders you will act like that...and get more respect...but you just flame guys which are new to it... really cool. I wish you luck in next flaming the hell topic out of the place.

P.s.: No offence , don't take me wrong, but you dissapointed me...you all.

Damn... Must agree...

*Btw: I think you're in not very good mood... 

[Dairy]

Welll

And did you credit me ? ...did you even ask ? ? ?

Not yet...

I don't think so...but I'm not an idiot and I don't really care. Because all what I make I release for community and I'm not so cocky and selfish.
This topic is just useless and for whiners. Do you think you're a great modders ? Who said so ? Why you judge others even if they didn't took your guns ? Why you didn't contact the owner of the guns otherwise than just flame the hell the newscomers...You looks like you all started as pros and released epic mods ....as I saw you're just whining about thing which is so usuall on internet...if somebody cracks\hacks games music movie or whatever mdon't say that you bought all your games. And the big companies can't do nothing against it...piraci...maybe a wrong example but just think about yourselfs... give to the new modders tips, tutorials, send them links to guids...tell them tips tricks or quick plan of modding.... but you won't...you just make idiotic topic about in section which doesn't really contains the main modding topic... you're much more skilled than the modding newcomers so you should act so. Don't play like child ...crying a river in a freaking topic like this - let's make one against terrorism! (j\k)...well shame on this.

I thought if you're calling a respected modders you will act like that...and get more respect...but you just flame guys which are new to it... really cool. I wish you luck in next flaming the hell topic out of the place.

P.s.: No offence , don't take me wrong, but you dissapointed me...you all.

Damn... Must agree...

*Btw: I think you're in not very good mood...

Well you don't have to...it's for you...It's for guys who want to be better in modding. I'm much more likely if guys become a pros from zeros. As everybody does.

Everybody should agree ...everybody should grow up and don't look on their works as a holy thing. DONT TOUCH IT !!! : \

I'm kind of in stress.But otherwise I have good mood. Only thing is I'm really angry on opinions like this. U're maybe right. It isn't so nice to see your work combined with others from a modders who don't know even ****....but you should be nice. It's a dissapoint.

I won't be so nice and stat the topics with 5 stars just to make everybody motivation and happyness...now I won't look on myself and be so unfriendly like you are... all thinks they are masters and can't be touched. That made me angry... more offensive opinion,critism,flaming and others...you will have it.

[Espadon]

You looks like you all started as pros and released epic mods

Yes. And I spent a DAMN LONG TIME FUSSING over my mod and criticizing myself and it's an insult to people who take time to do stuff for the community for free.

[Dairy]

You looks like you all started as pros and released epic mods

Yes. And I spent a DAMN LONG TIME FUSSING over my mod and criticizing myself and it's an insult to people who take time to do stuff for the community for free.

Do you think I mean your mods ? Are they epic ? ...even - everybody isn't so selfteaching as you can be....and I guess you know this forums much more than other modders (I guess you know the old forums too )... and even - you could give tips like you now mentioned.... TAKE TIME or TRY HARDER or whatever. Everybody can't get sources for pixel art...

I hate this on you all - you judge others by your image. Mirror effect ? Or how I could call it... you think if you did it - all can do the same ?

I'm not offensive, but I wanna see some more discipline ...mental adult don't do such a mess with\from things like these...

[Espadon]

Are they epic ?

Hey man, I'm trying

I dunno what FMBM is gonna say on this matter though, Dairy.

[Dairy]

Are they epic ?

Hey man, I'm trying

I dunno what FMBM is gonna say on this matter though, Dairy.

Ye...and he's trying too...maybe not so hard as you...and that's the reasson for help, not flame.

It's eye-beating (everybody can see) that you're trying...that's your (+)

I quess he even won't ever read this whole topic because of the stupidity...but I can make you sure he wasn't other...he was just usuall newcomer and he made it to this level of modding quality (NOBODY flamed him...or if yes, not so hard as you and there were even nice people)... it's possible... but with some more motivation... 

[Espadon]

Well Dairy, it's kinda like this. Sure I'm (and everyone) is willing to listen to you since you have something to show for it and you're reasonable. Even Bunney, sure he's...not so proficient at modding either, but he's willing to take advice and immediately make reparations to any mistakes he wasn't aware of, and so we never got mad at his attempts. As for that Zabjubulububub whats-his-face guy, which is kinda what got this thread kicked up in the first place (and also why Dairy's actively posting in this thread now) is someone who believes HE is faultless. THOSE kinds of people get me riled up you know?

[Mangled*]

Dairy, you seem to have misunderstood what we're discussing.

Fact is it's already forum regulation that you're not already allowed to post mods with other peoples content. But that is only limited to these very forums.

This isn't about punishing noobs who don't know but it's about rewarding people who work hard on their mods and deserve to have something to show for it.

Dairy... there's alot of great modders in the community, and without doubt you're one of the best of them, and it's very noble of you to not give a damn if someone rips off your work, but people differ in opinion... I only suggested this as a way of seperating the pro's from the lame. Not by crapping on noobs.

[Dairy]

Well Dairy, it's kinda like this. Sure I'm (and everyone) is willing to listen to you since you have something to show for it and you're reasonable. Even Bunney, sure he's...not so proficient at modding either, but he's willing to take advice and immediately make reparations to any mistakes he wasn't aware of, and so we never got mad at his attempts. As for that Zabjubulububub whats-his-face guy, which is kinda what got this thread kicked up in the first place (and also why Dairy's actively posting in this thread now) is someone who believes HE is faultless. THOSE kinds of people get me riled up you know?

If nobody would JUDGE him...and just say it's not good or some FRIENDLY critism it would be much nicier.... I'm not telling he is the one who has to be covered but I want from older forumers to be more informative to the new ones.... how would you act if everybody would be offensive on the start of your modding carreer ?

And...please, don't mention Bunney.

Dairy, you seem to have misunderstood what we're discussing.

Fact is it's already forum regulation that you're not already allowed to post mods with other peoples content. But that is only limited to these very forums.

This isn't about punishing noobs who don't know but it's about rewarding people who work hard on their mods and deserve to have something to show for it.

How you know that they would be so upset? ....if yes why you didn't PM them to ask them for FLAME ...not you. U'ren't in position for flaming someone... you can give him tip that it isn't good. I've got the point but there is something what is angrying me more that the bad-way of his mod and his answers...you were offensive so I don't see any reasson why he shouldn't be...

And even - It's a little info about the mods...some people could get interested into full mod not just one gun...it's prosperive for the main creator even...maybe. And the bad thing what dissapoined me most is this topic...

[Espadon]

Right, as Mangled said, back on topic. General regulations, sure I think mod stealing is an offense. But what are you gonna do about it? BanHammer em? Meh, I think the best would be to just have this discussion, but otherwise, everyone in the modding community pretty much knows each other and having a 'preferred modders list' would be bureaucracy that makes enemies.

[Dairy]

Right, as Mangled said, back on topic. General regulations, sure I think mod stealing is an offense. But what are you gonna do about it? BanHammer em? Meh, I think the best would be to just have this discussion, but otherwise, everyone in the modding community pretty much knows each other and having a 'preferred modders list' would be bureaucracy that makes enemies.

As for me...I don't wanna make enemies but if it's necessaty.(or how it writes) Your angle of looking of 'preferred modders list' would be much bigger if you could know how... I was nice to ALL newscomers....Skykanded,Bunney,Tempest...only them I can remember...Shivorked used the graphic of Papasurf too (maybe with agree from PS but he knew how it is ....he's an older forumer) There were a lot of modders like the Zabijaka...

[PaFel]

I really don't know what to think about that now but I agree with that we should be more polite for the newbies (or how it should be writen). We should tell them that they should change some things that are fully ripped witout asking and wait for results.

[Mangled*]

Yeah Shirvorken used some of my sound effects, but he asked my permission though... And that's the difference.

The point is.. mixing other peoples mods and then submitting it achieves nothing in my opinion, if people want to mix mods together to get the playing experience they want in soldat that's fine... but what we're all looking for is new and original mods, not recycled old ones.

[Dairy]

I really don't know what to think about that now but I agree with that we should be more polite for the newbies (or how it should be writen). We should tell them that they should change some things that are fully ripped witout asking and wait for results.

Finally somebody who understood something of my report.... the ripping isn't good and I don't like it too...but....VVVV

Yeah Shirvorken used some of my sound effects, but he asked my permission though... And that's the difference.

The point is.. mixing other peoples mods and then submitting it achieves nothing in my opinion, if people want to mix mods together to get the playing experience they want in soldat that's fine... but what we're all looking for is new and original mods, not recycled old ones.

Ye ? ...and you know ALL opinions ? ...I guess you're right but speak about yourself...and HE MADE SOMETHING that's the difference... he didn't represented JUST the GRAPHIC itself but HIS SOUNDS...

[Henito Kisou]

No need moral pathetic speeches about dissapointing, just simple dont steal, dont be ripper, find your style, try for yourself to be better, look at tutorial guides. We dont discuss about just newbies who dont know how to good start in the modding world, but about ordinary stealers who known what they doing and thinking that they will be accepted as modder without good modding, just by shit, copying and mixed, crossed bunch of untouched files, sometimes just few edited, added and released as HIS mod. This is idiotic, worster than lame and different than newbie who dont known what can be possible, what is good and neccessary. No, we talking about noobs, who thinking: without most of work, easy mixed stuff, release ripped shit and still thinking that noob, lamer who always known better (not newbie modder! this is different person in different situation), about he doing good thing when copying, ripping, stealing. In this topic we dont talking about modder gods who cant be touched by newbies, else cursed, because their work is holy. No! We talking there about ordinary noobs, lamers, who clearly known what they doing, known they going bad but still doing into worst. I really can support or help any newbie modder without offense, he can use my gfx if neccessary, using basics of my style, copying work, but my god not following this path only by thinking that is easiest and best way to be pro and get respect and popularity of modding community!
Noob, lamer is worster, rotten, different than innocent newbie also modding virgin, he start doing awful things and still known what he doing, he thinking doing good, so... immeasurably those different types.

[Espadon]

innocent newbie also modding virgin

Lol I love that!

[Dairy]

No need moral pathetic speeches about dissapointing, just simple dont steal, dont be ripper, find your style, try for yourself to be better, look at tutorial guides. We dont discuss about just newbies who dont know how to good start in the modding world, but about ordinary stealers who known what they doing and thinking that they will be accepted as modder without good modding, just by ****, copying and mixed, crossed bunch of untouched files, sometimes just few edited, added and released as HIS mod. This is idiotic, worster than lame and different than newbie who dont known what can be possible, what is good and neccessary. No, we talking about noobs, who thinking: without most of work, easy mixed stuff, release ripped **** and still thinking that noob, lamer who always known better (not newbie modder! this is different person in different situation), about he doing good thing when copying, ripping, stealing. In this topic we dont talking about modder gods who cant be touched by newbies, else cursed, because their work is holy. No! We talking there about ordinary noobs, lamers, who clearly known what they doing, known they going bad but still doing into worst. I really can support or help any newbie modder without offense, he can use my gfx if neccessary, using basics of my style, copying work, but my god not following this path only by thinking that is easiest and best way to be pro and get respect and popularity of modding community!
Noob, lamer is worster, rotten, different than innocent newbie also modding virgin, he start doing awful things and still known what he doing, he thinking doing good, so... immeasurably those different types.

Who the fuck are you ? ....you call yourself a MODDING GOD ? ? ? ?

And you can go away with your silly term inviting... modding noob and newbie modder is a difference ?!?!?

[Espadon]

Think he meant FMBM/Ivan etc. those 'epic' mod guys.

[Dairy]

Think he meant FMBM/Ivan etc. those 'epic' mod guys.

I hate when somebody talks for others...why THEY don't complain so much ?

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Look, if someone points out in the thread that it's stolen, and he admits it, it's fine. No harm done. If they don't admit it, no harm done as long as everyone realizes this. If you get THAT mad about someone making a mod made from a bunch of others then you are REALLY a pathetic excuse for a human being. I mean, it's not like you getting a profit for your mod. Hell, even if people like their mod better than yours, what does it mean? Logically, the only reason people should make mods is for their own use and the use of others so that'll be more fun to play. If you're really wrapped up enough in the "Soldat Forums Hierarchy" to give a **** about any other aspect, see the above "Pathetic excuse for a human being" statement. I'm gonna agree with Dairy on this one: Instead of flaming them, show them the rules/guides.

"Oh noes, he stoled my gun pictures I made for a game, he is such a ***got/noob/lamer/retard/forum nerd...Wait, I think I got that last one mixed up. I can't help but laugh at HK's above statement,

be pro and get respect and popularity of modding community!

Uhh, news flash? YOU'RE DRAWING GUNS FOR A FUGGIN' ONLINE GAME. Popularity? Respect? Whoopee, they like what your guns look like. Taking and giving advice is one thing, but if you actually give half a **** what these people think of you then you're probably an attention freak.

I can understand calling guns art. I laugh at the description, but I can understand it. But you guys really have to look at the big picture here...

[Henito Kisou]

Older post because faster replies before I posted this->First at all, read with understanding.
That term modding gods doesn't really exist is just metaphora, not about me.
I dont talking for others - this is another thing.
Yes, newbie is neutral but sometimes noob have negative theme. That's all in difference: Idiot who thinking that he do good but still known what he doing and break all rules, ethic, also straight out he is demanding the recognition and the admiration, the interest, he considers himself to good at start, sometimes close to pro.
Newbie always trying to start good, want help, he known that he is imperfect and he isn't flaunting the fact that he is starting and he already states that he can be mastah, because he can see own mistakes, he knows, that need of something what will help him, somebody who will instruct him what is supposed to do better wants constructive of the criticism rather than the extorted admiration.
But yes, guides, help, tutorials than flaming, but sometimes that thing is needed in extremely obvious situations.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Yes, newbie is neutral but sometimes noob have negative theme. That's all in difference: Idiot who thinking that he do good but still known what he doing and break all rules, ethic,

Rules I can understand, but ethics? Give me a break, need I'd say again you're just drawing guns? This isn't orphanage burning. 

thinking that he do good but still known what he doing and break all rules, ethic, also straight out he is demanding the recognition and the admiration, the interest, he considers himself to good at start, sometimes close to pro.

Demanding recognition and admiration? Congratulations, you actually made me laugh there.

Considers himself good at start? Close to pro? Now you're just making assumptions about what they think when they post a mod, their's or otherwise. Not everyone bases their self esteem on how much other people like a couple guns they drew in their spare time, y'know...If anyone's planning to say that spent a while on a mod; that it was more than just the occasional bit of spare time, and use that to prove I'm wrong, please realize the extreme irony of your case

[Dairy]

Older post because faster replies before I posted this->First at all, read with understanding.
That term modding gods doesn't really exist is just metaphora, not about me.
I dont talking for others - this is another thing.
Yes, newbie is neutral but sometimes noob have negative theme. That's all in difference: Idiot who thinking that he do good but still known what he doing and break all rules, ethic, also straight out he is demanding the recognition and the admiration, the interest, he considers himself to good at start, sometimes close to pro.
Newbie always trying to start good, want help, he known that he is imperfect and he isn't flaunting the fact that he is starting and he already states that he can be mastah, because he can see own mistakes, he knows, that need of something what will help him, somebody who will instruct him what is supposed to do better wants constructive of the criticism rather than the extorted admiration.
But yes, guides, help, tutorials than flaming, but sometimes that thing is needed in extremely obvious situations.

So how would you call yourself ? ...

If somebody would be nicier some guys would SEE their mistakes....as I'm not trying to other older modders... There just somebody post a FLAME and if you like the person you will just join the useless flaming and another person will do the same...and so on.

[Espadon]

If anyone's planning to say that spent a while on a mod; that it was more than just the occasional bit of spare time, and use that to prove I'm wrong, please realize the extreme irony of your case

3 Years. xD

Anyways... can we talk about Zabjablablab-his-face on some other thread? Mod-stealing in an unofficial format as in Soldat is in itself a touchy subject, as technically, with some mods like Halo, or UT, or Quake mods, you're using the intellectual property of the people at Bungie, Epic, and id, respectively. Come to think about it, the modding community is already pretty fair at nosing out copied works. I don't think anything needs to be done ATM.

[Mangled*]

Agreed.

Again... all it was was suggestion and discussion, there's no need to turn the thread into world war 3 because we think differently.

[Shivorken]

I make mods at first for my personal enjoyment and as i'm in a crucial academic point in my life atm, i did not make my own weapons in the beginning and more or less collaborated the works of papasurf since it look good. But due to circumstances, i decided to create weapons for myself and i followed a style similar to that of papasurf's since I liked it and other people like it too. Now however, i have added my own techniques and my own style to make weapons even more beautiful but mainly, I just wanted to make a mod which I i can enjoy and hopefully you guys can as well.

I have learned well from my mistake of just ripping anothers hard work and I'm sure that anybody who makes the same mistake as me will and should learn relatively quickly.

So give the nub a chance after they hurt themselves from their first jump, and maybe a second chance, but if they do it again, get out the bat and break their legs so they can't jump again.

[Edit]: As for this 'good' list or 'preferred modders' list and the 'hall of shame', it's sorta like a source to boost your self esteem? Sorry, but that has to be the most stupid thing that i have seen on this section of the forum. If a modder has done well, and earned his place in the modding community then good for him. Newcomers will be able to see his great masterpieces and comment accordingly. For example, Dairy, he has completely earned my respect as one of the greatest modders here but i do not go around saying 'OMG DAIRY UR MY HERO" or anything like that, and I certainly would not start a topic worshipping Ivan or FMBM or Papasurf.

[Henito Kisou]

Castering of blame, they will be flowed into flame.
No innocence or no sin, both for us same way to win.
I see dead, blind people and they post here.
Enough?
Every explanatory, defending, trying to do something is useless. Rules are always same, when you really get this in emotional way you are blind for rest including real image of reality -normal thing of every human. I didn't discovered anything new, that thing about shame and fame is on every page, every community, every society. Just unofficial, but real or some dont believe in that, so doesnt matter if this will be official for me, this is only suggestion.

innocent newbie also modding virgin

Lol I love that!

I known, post inspired by S.S.G#24: Modding virgin...

[Lord Frunkamunch]

[Edit]: As for this 'good' list or 'preferred modders' list and the 'hall of shame', it's sorta like a source to boost your self esteem? Sorry, but that has to be the most stupid thing that i have seen on this section of the forum. If a modder has done well, and earned his place in the modding community then good for him. Newcomers will be able to see his great masterpieces and comment accordingly. For example, Dairy, he has completely earned my respect as one of the greatest modders here but i do not go around saying 'OMG DAIRY UR MY HERO" or anything like that, and I certainly would not start a topic worshipping Ivan or FMBM or Papasurf.

Exactly. I don't think some of the people posting in his thread agree though, they sound like they want to bear his children.

[Espadon]

Castering of blame, they will be flowed into flame.
No innocence or no sin, both for us same way to win.
I see dead, blind people and they post here.

Learn English before trying poetry. Even artistic license only goes so far.

[Bunney]

Well Dairy is right tbh...but still the ones that take stuff from other without putting credits to them or even ask them, thats just BS, and lazy...

And a list of "Approved Modders" dosent make sense..it would just make the problems bigger. maybe a Hall of Fame would be much cooler! only for the real epic modders and art/movie/apps makers.

[Espadon]

No. Just no. "Hall of Fame" is gonna open a rift and all the nubcakes are gonna want to be in the HoF and crap like that. Who the hell's gonna judge anyways? People have different opinions of themselves and others; Dairy doesn't like SciFi guns and I don't like FMBM's style and Henito Kisou thinks he's a master shader. What are you gonna do about it?

[Slayer DZ]

you people chill out, after all we're modding Soldat, SOLDAT! hesus...

[Will]

I don't actually see whats so fantastic with FMBM's work. It's just cartoonish.

[Henito Kisou]

I like modders like Slayer DZ, Mangled, Vltava, Mr Killer, wolfbr, PaFel, Lord Ivahn, FlagshipVG but that's all. Nothing more.
Also I dont think that my style or shading is best or I am mastah, just different than any other modders, maybe I little egotic, but I dont scream for attention like some modder/s. No one can be me, no one can be you - simple.
I think, HoF can be some elite like ranking, but just for satisfaction, modding competition to get more quality mods, not merciless war by flame, whine or more. If it's possible with mapping why not try similiar with modding to make regular growing modding community.

[Dr. Zombi3]

So what really annoys me is where some complete newb posts a mod... and it's just an accumilation of other peoples content put together badly.

That's not a mod... that's a f*cking waste of space.

I mean.. it's fine if someone asks permission before reusing content.. But even if you're colouring in someone elses outlines without permission.. that's still just lazy and in my mind it's still theft.

So what can be done? Because it annoys the hell out of me to see peoples hard work just being thrown together and passed off as someone elses work.. hell, it's happened to me twice and I've only made one mod so far.

I propose forming a list of 'approved modders' who essentially have no history of it and make all of their mods from scratch (which is how I think every true modder should work)

and of course then only approved modders would have their mods featured in the 1.4 mod archive

So yeah... this is just an idea really..

Thoughts?

Your right, but they should have copyright's on their mod. With no Copyrights they cant do nothing, except to report them.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Writing 'this mod is copyrighted' isn't really going to stop anyone who knows that no one's gonna' arrest them over the internet over a game.

[Dairy]

HALL OF FAME ? guys wake up....Henito - go away. What's so special on you anyway  ? ....your shading ? WTf ?? ?? ?? EDIT: And u're the one most respected with WARNING LEVEL II... ye great thing.

The guys which even could say something against the topic comment are silent. Much of you think that if you make one mod (and even some of the modder's mods  are really...well censore it) you're untouchable and are part of the MODDING ELITE...what the hell ? ...most of the greatest modders are gone.... You should really take care about yourself and not whine about some pixels ....which you don't even own.

Only few guys here are the clever one and normal enough to give normal comments....and with my stupid posts I make myself lookin' like one who's whining and one of the rest "modders"...I don't care. I don't need respect I don't need anything... I agree mostly with Shivorken. I make guns for myself I just post it here if somebody likes it too...

[Espadon]

And that's why I very rarely release public mods.

[Henito Kisou]

Warnings? for tightened and exaggerated reasons, almost aimlessly in my mentality and situation.
Another who cant read without be blind and not open for free  discussion, suggestions, not demands. There's always can be better, not worster. At start I think most can be free, but human always will be slave of mass, groups, social animal - half living existence.
As you all want, but I have something special for world, not soon, just now.
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Now I back to modding because my normal discussion is useless to abnormal responses (my last post in this topic), to make something true, not shitty lies and fake ideas abot nothing more than stereotypical schemes of thinking

[Espadon]

As you all want, but I have something special for world, not soon, just now.reotypical schemes of thinking[/b]

You keep thinking that.

[Slayer DZ]

Hall of fame - i don't support it

Espadon, Dairy - don't waste respect you've earned here with posts like these

[Shivorken]

End of discussion people <.<

Getting outta hand and it sure as hell has sparked some unnecessary friction between a couple of you guys.

I wish some mod can come and lock this.

[Carlitos]

The solution is easy....

















from now on, who steals mods, is a ****ing dumbass

Respect the Makers

(i dont mod)

[Dr. Zombi3]

The solution is easy....

















from now on, who steals mods, is a ****ing dumbass

Respect the Makers

(i dont mod)

or they can be put in the sin bin

[Keron Cyst]

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