Obama's inauguration.

[iDante]

We already are the number 1 economy, hes just going to fuck that all up.

And we spend ungodly amounts of our federal budget on the military, to do things that are excessive and unnecessary. If we cut that we would be MUCH more prevalent in the world's economy.

So if we spend less on our military, our GDP will go... up?

Take an economics class.

If we spend less on the military we will have more to spend on the rest of the country. Say, health care or maybe, science. The USA is far behind many other developed countries because we spend so much on the military.

[The Specialist]

I love how Slashnoob and a-4-year-old think, they're the only ones in this thread besides me who see past the light.

I read today about his decision regarding the bay and all I can say is that he's an idiot.  That's enough damage for one day, can't imagine what he'd do in four or potentially eight years.  I just hope the general public and his supporters would get their head out of their asses and not make the 2nd term possible.

[a-4-year-old]

We already are the number 1 economy, hes just going to fuck that all up.

And we spend ungodly amounts of our federal budget on the military, to do things that are excessive and unnecessary. If we cut that we would be MUCH more prevalent in the world's economy.

So if we spend less on our military, our GDP will go... up?

Take an economics class.

If we spend less on the military we will have more to spend on the rest of the country. Say, health care or maybe, science. The USA is far behind many other developed countries because we spend so much on the military.

so pouring money into healthcare is a solution? We are on the cutting edge of science because we are on the cutting edge of industry.

Healthcare needs reform, all obama is going to do is try to socialize it without fixing any of the major problems which inflate costs.

[iDante]

Socializing it does fix the most important problem that health care has: that over a third of Americans don't have it.

[a-4-year-old]

its cheaper for them to walk into an ER where they need to be treated. They're why health care costs so much. making us pay even more for them to have health care will not only ruin our economy and rape the middle class so hard they'll all drop below the poverty line.

[iDante]

My need to get the last word in. It hurts.

its cheaper for them to walk into an ER where they need to be treated.

Most definitely not cheaper when the hospital medical bill arrives.

They're why health care costs so much. making us pay even more for them to have health care will not only ruin our economy and rape the middle class so hard they'll all drop below the poverty line.

Prevention is many times cheaper than treatment. Much of America is afraid to go to the hospital to treat their problems before or just after noticing symptoms, because of the cost. When it develops into full-blown conditions, it is much more expensive on them to treat. It's also many times more effective.
So really the reason they cost so much is because they are afraid of the costs.

lrn2healthcare.

[Dascoo]

The USA is far behind many other developed countries because we spend so much on the military.

This is what hippies actually believe.

[a-4-year-old]

its cheaper for them to walk into an ER where they need to be treated.

Most definitely not cheaper when the hospital medical bill arrives.

You act like they will actually pay it. The laughter, it hurts.

Prevention is many times cheaper than treatment.

Thats just simply not true. A lifetime of proper diet and exercise and medication with no insurance isn't even close to as cheap as bypass surgery.

Its obvious you don't understand health care.

[Dascoo]

It's okay for America to lower it's military budget, until you notice they're no longer covering your ass anymore.

[iDante]

It's okay for America to lower it's military budget, until you notice they're no longer covering your ass anymore.

They shouldn't have to.

its cheaper for them to walk into an ER where they need to be treated.

Most definitely not cheaper when the hospital medical bill arrives.

You act like they will actually pay it. The laughter, it hurts.

They wouldn't have to pay more than a deductible if they had health care. That way the hospital doesn't pay for it, the government does.

Prevention is many times cheaper than treatment.

Thats just simply not true. A lifetime of proper diet and exercise and medication with no insurance isn't even close to as cheap as bypass surgery.

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." still holds true today.
You are wrong.
We can debate that later (or now if you like, though I am right).

[Dascoo]

It's okay for America to lower it's military budget, until you notice they're no longer covering your ass anymore.

They shouldn't have to.

I was refering to the countries that currently have American troops, and use American technology extensively. Not you.

For example: South Korea and Japan.

[excruciator]

We are on the cutting edge of science because we are on the cutting edge of industry.

That's not necessarily true.
China is very industrialized yet they are not that good at science.

I really don't see how increasing weapon production is a mostly peaceful time would stimulate the economy.

The USA is far behind many other developed countries because we spend so much on the military.

This is what hippies actually believe.

You guy's have to realize that the era for the US is nearly done. The Chinese will become the next world superpower.
Also, technology wise, US is behind the Europeans.

[Slashnoob]

now he wants to screw with the amendment so he won't be limited only to 2 presidencies. that's mighty democratic of him.

if this BS will pass, seeing as how grown women piss themselves when they see him on TV, and grown men act like 15 year old girls that are seeing their rock star, it seems that USA will never be rid of the guy.

...did i say he wants to cut the F35 program aswell? that will make Russia the only country with a 5th generation jet fighter and that will be a huge advantage in air superiority.

[frogboy]

its cheaper for them to walk into an ER where they need to be treated. They're why health care costs so much. making us pay even more for them to have health care will not only ruin our economy and rape the middle class so hard they'll all drop below the poverty line.

actually us healthcare costs more per capita than any other oecd country, cbf googling the source but it is true. the fact that the us is a disgustingly amoral capitalist society also helps to push up all your prices. for what it's worth australia pays the second most of some metric which i think is public expenditure, and we have heavily subsidised medication and free emergency healthcare for all citizens go figure.

occasionally i'll see stories of people who've died because they can't afford health care and that is incredibly f**ked up, nobody should die because of their social status, or for that matter, be forced into bankruptcy for their health.

e: also progressive taxation serves to force the richest people to pay more tax rather than middle class. trickle-down economics is bulls**t, tax the f**k out of the rich and you won't bankrupt the middle class.

[Dascoo]

You guy's have to realize that the era for the US is nearly done. The Chinese will become the next world superpower.
Also, technology wise, US is behind the Europeans.

China is the next Japan. Expected to overcome the United States because of amazing growth, then collapsing. I'd say US has another 30-50 years of being a sole military superpower, then after that I don't know. The European Union might become something more then a economic union, under it's common Islamic heritage.

Be more specific with technology.

[FliesLikeABrick]

now he wants to screw with the amendment so he won't be limited only to 2 presidencies. that's mighty democratic of him.

Do you have a source for this, let alone a lot of the other crap you're referring to?

[a-4-year-old]

It's okay for America to lower it's military budget, until you notice they're no longer covering your ass anymore.

They shouldn't have to.

By your logic I guess israel doesn't need a military either, maybe if we all lived in fairy magical elf land we wouldn't need missles. But we don't so we do.

its cheaper for them to walk into an ER where they need to be treated.

Most definitely not cheaper when the hospital medical bill arrives.

You act like they will actually pay it. The laughter, it hurts.

They wouldn't have to pay more than a deductible if they had health care. That way the hospital doesn't pay for it, the government does.

So then the middle class pays through raised taxes, its not any better, poor will get horrible government insurance and then we (the successful) get higher taxes and none of the service.

Prevention is many times cheaper than treatment.

Thats just simply not true. A lifetime of proper diet and exercise and medication with no insurance isn't even close to as cheap as bypass surgery.

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." still holds true today.
You are wrong.
We can debate that later (or now if you like, though I am right).

that is always better medical practice but the dollars are in favor of a cheap surgery after the fact.

We are on the cutting edge of science because we are on the cutting edge of industry.

That's not necessarily true.
China is very industrialized yet they are not that good at science.

I really don't see how increasing weapon production is a mostly peaceful time would stimulate the economy.

China is just a factory with nukes. We give them an order and their children sew our shoes. Its our companies that make the next great running shoe, or the next great cell phone or the next great computer chip. China is too much of a shithole to be any competition for world power. Too much of the population is poor and doesn't have any rights.

e: also progressive taxation serves to force the richest people to pay more tax rather than middle class. trickle-down economics is bulls**t, tax the f**k out of the rich and you won't bankrupt the middle class.

Trickle down works. Heavy taxes on business just raise prices for the poor. Any additional production cost is just added into the final price of the good. so taxing business is bad for the poor.

[Sir Jeremy]

Wow, whatever happened to no Quote trains?

For all we know, to stop the current economic meltdown, Obama could bring in a whole new currency to clear this whole mess up.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_currency_union

This would bring the whole North American and Mexico under one same currency.  Think about it, it's an easy way to clear all the debts they have now, and restart.

[Dascoo]

This would bring the whole North American and Mexico under one same currency.  Think about it, it's an easy way to clear all the debts they have now, and restart.

And Canada plus Mexico will agree to that.

OH U!

[a fool]

This would bring the whole North American and Mexico under one same currency.  Think about it, it's an easy way to clear all the debts they have now, and restart.

This would bring USA above Mexico and Canada because it has a greater economy. I support the idea, but at the same time I don't.

This would be a positive-only event if all three country would be economically equal.