The Pirate Bay Founders Jailed

[Mx7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zdGVfR3Cpg&feature=channel_page

A court in Sweden has jailed four men behind The Pirate Bay (TPB), the world's most high-profile file-sharing website, in a landmark case.

Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde were found guilty of breaking copyright law and were sentenced to a year in jail.

They were also ordered to pay 30m kronor (£2.4m) in damages.

-In my opinion they are not guilty because they are basically a searching engine. The users that share it should be. But neither are they.

[Dairy]

Fix the link.

What's so bad about they jailed him ? He broke the laws, nothing good on that. Jail.

[~Niko~]

I didn't use it but i'm sure it screwed up thousands of people. If they want to end with it, why don't close the P2P programs you need to download it, instead the the search engine?

[PANZERCATWAGON]

its fairly obvious that pirate bay set out to be as provocative as possible while also offering the same service as every other file sharing network. in that way it can be said that the prosecution of the site owners is fair

however i believe thats about as much as they or any other file sharing network user or owner should be held responsible for. pirate bay were making a political point when they did what they did. they were essentially saying "even though what we are doing is obviously wrong, we arent commiting a crime"

whether or not they intended it or not, this was quite smart because it doesnt take a genius to see that the media industry loves to and has been ripping people out of their money for years. and while that is not essentially a crime it is still wrong. so its hypocritical of them to start whining about how they are getting ripped out of their money by the same behaviour

then again its not like they are going to hold their hands up and say "fair do". but this news has meant that its now pretty much official; the media industry is a bunch of wankers

so heres to you warner bros. thanks for giving me the incentive to download twice as many movies illegally in celebration

[Demonic]

Fix the link.

What's so bad about they jailed him ? He broke the laws, nothing good on that. Jail.

Because they jailed them on terms that could qualify for shutting down google aswell - operating a system that's capable of finding sources of copyrighted material.

This is a really sad verdict, because it shows that the lobby power of big labels is still strong enough to push their will through laws and the jurisdiction system, even though they've been doing nothing but halting progress ever since Napster popped up (and even before, but they've been beaten - that's why we have cinemas, record players, VCR's and even television).

However, this isn't over yet, because the decision is only on the first level, and it'll take a couple of more years until we get to the end of this hoo-haa.

[~Niko~]

I bet that if the judges or whoever wanted The Pirate Bay to shutdown would have been using it, they wouldn't have did that.

[Farah]

Fix the link.

What's so bad about they jailed him ? He broke the laws, nothing good on that. Jail.

Dude do you know how the bittorrent protocol works at all? All the tracker does is make sure that the right information is sent and the whole downloadp passes the HASH CHECK, it basically links to the material and hosts NOTHING ILLEGAL at all. So what if these guys were provocative? They have a right to call those who don't understand why what they're doing is completely legal fucking idiots. Seriously, they should not have been jailed but this means nothing since they're going to appeal.

[frogboy]

tbh that's kinda like saying that guns shouldn't be banned because they just shoot projectiles at really high velocities and throwing stuff isn't illegal, when they're still developed for the explicit intent of harming/killing someone.

[Demonic]

tbh that's kinda like saying that guns shouldn't be banned because they just shoot projectiles at really high velocities and throwing stuff isn't illegal, when they're still developed for the explicit intent of harming/killing someone.

Now that's bullcrap. If you want to stick to an example of that sorts, think of banning knives or limiting them to a license, because they can be used to harm people - and even so this whole copyright fight thing is rotting from the deep roots.

What we're seeing now is big companies HOLDING BACK progress on how information spreads instead of adopting to a changing world. Torrenting is an effective way to get big files around, not to mention acquiring things you otherwise couldn't - there are bands, movies and books I would have no chance of getting in any other way than through piracy, because they don't find spreading those things in these parts economicaly viable, and I'm not paying for any album that costs 10 bucks if the band itself is getting ONE dollar.

This isn't new though - Edison tried to fight the pirates who refused to pay for the use of his patented technology, because he wanted money from all reels played with it. In turn these fellows went on and said fuck you, made their own industry, and voila, Hollywood.

The current way copyright laws are held is theft with a legal background.

[frogboy]

i never said anything regarding whether copyright laws were right or wrong. i merely said that tpb clearly exists to break those laws, so arguing about hash checks or whatever is rubbish.

[mar77a]

i found about tpb through google

[SDFilm]

I don't use it that much but I was still shocked and kinda disappointed to see it happen. It was also a bit weird to see a huge pirate bay logo on the BBC's e-studio walls, showing just how wide-spread yet defeated* it is.

*well...the site is still up...


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..you always get your news from Russia Today?

[a-4-year-old]

Under the current laws they did break a law. The law is silly and wrong but its still a law.

Their logic is that if I run a bar and I let kids (underage) drink then its my fault they drank because they got it in my bar. Piratebay doesn't exactly function like that and theres no way for them to really moderate what goes through their website.

[eYe]

Under the current laws they did break a law. The law is silly and wrong but its still a law.

Their logic is that if I run a bar and I let kids (underage) drink then its my fault they drank because they got it in my bar. Piratebay doesn't exactly function like that and theres no way for them to really moderate what goes through their website.

If it's silly and wrong, why would they abide by it? It doesn't even make any sense. The ones with money are allowed to rip you off to gather even more money, while on the other hand you're not allowed to bring home a little portion of what's not righteously theirs to be able to live a life not half as good as the ones they lead? Fuck unreasonable laws and fuck rich snobs.

[Wormdundee]

Really, I thought they did not break a law because they were 'making it available', not actually hosting the files.

Imagining that they did not break a law for a minute here, it's obvious that what they are doing is ethically wrong, but not illegal. There's plenty of things that big businesses do that are despicable, but not illegal.

I have a feeling that there was a guilty verdict simply because of pressure from big labels and lobbying groups. The actual trial was a clusterfuck on the prosecutions side. Nobody had any idea how torrenting actually worked, and the 'expert' witness that they used actually admitted to not even looking at the website, so he couldn't say that any copyrighted materials were available for sure.

[Hair|Trigger]

If it weren't for copyright there would be no piracy, so fuck copyright.

[SDFilm]

^ There'd be plenty of piracy, just that people wouldn't care about it.

[Ulio]

Let's all try to get google banned, it's basically the same thing... It's easier to find instructions on making bombs on google than TPB, though. :p (That was a joke, I hope you all understand that. xD)

[a-4-year-old]

Under the current laws they did break a law. The law is silly and wrong but its still a law.

Their logic is that if I run a bar and I let kids (underage) drink then its my fault they drank because they got it in my bar. Piratebay doesn't exactly function like that and theres no way for them to really moderate what goes through their website.

If it's silly and wrong, why would they abide by it? It doesn't even make any sense. The ones with money are allowed to rip you off to gather even more money, while on the other hand you're not allowed to bring home a little portion of what's not righteously theirs to be able to live a life not half as good as the ones they lead? Fuck unreasonable laws and fuck rich snobs.

I agree, I hope when they appeal the courts will trash the law.

[LtKillroy]

I know little about this site at all but I do know people are getting tired of losing billions if not in the trillions of dollars in piracy. I also know these people are being very overzealous and getting in trouble for it so I don't know what to think. But to me, a site devoted for the sole purpose of distributing illegal stuff is probably bad.