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Duz remake
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Veoto
« on: January 01, 2010, 01:17:39 pm »
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« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 06:02:06 am by Suowarrior »

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2010, 02:58:24 pm »
Too unbalanced for TM, with a survival bug area at the Bravo respawn(you can fall and reborn).
Most people in my country hates this map cuz is too limited to make tactics.
Could be replaced by another better. ;)
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Re: Veoto
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2010, 03:27:43 pm »
Too unbalanced for TM, with a survival bug area at the Bravo respawn(you can fall and reborn).
Most people in my country hates this map cuz is too limited to make tactics.
Could be replaced by another better. ;)

The reborn thing seems like a feature to me... ofc its unbalanced for any gamemode, but, maybe some maps call for not a perfect balanced in the end.
Its ugly btw.

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2010, 03:39:27 pm »
The reborn thing seems like a feature to me... ofc its unbalanced for any gamemode, but, maybe some maps call for not a perfect balanced in the end.
Its ugly btw.

Maybe a unofficial feature hahaha
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Re: Veoto
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2010, 03:55:55 pm »
Change one's mind about old Soldat scene, shit happens, take a look to hormone... scorpion... freefall
The gold old glory days are gone, we must appreciate the new wind blow, well, we got no choise in the end.
Ofc i dislike some maps, like lanubya/ruins, but ima sure some ppl like it, or get used to... buy since the map is playable i play anyway
Surely Veoto is playable, the possibility to fight outside the map is a must, but the reborn shit is too close to the map edge, and that reborn shit is not new, Airpirates got a polly where you can reborn too, but with much more risk to abuse it.

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Here \/ you got a poly warp bug, like cambodia and airpirates, but i dont think the mapper created it intentionaly. I figured out playing at Leo's DM today, and its kinda game breaker (mk3x ftw)


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Re: Veoto
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2010, 04:51:41 pm »
Thats sad:


I really think exist better maps for replace by Veoto.
Or can be reworked to gets a new perspective.
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Re: Veoto
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2010, 04:55:06 pm »
nice find lol

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2010, 05:19:44 pm »
It seems nobody is defending original version. So in this case modification with some major changes would be welcomed.

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2010, 07:29:44 pm »
Why was this added in the first place?

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2010, 10:24:48 pm »
« Last Edit: August 22, 2010, 07:09:15 pm by duz »
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Re: Veoto
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 06:07:38 am »
Poll added, duz remake yes.

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2010, 03:03:36 pm »
Update:

- Added a lower way, may be used as alt route.
- Added a block on right side to not allow players to out map.
- Added a deadly polies to not allow ppl to abuse the reborn.

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2010, 03:25:30 pm »
I am happy with the changes as long as no polybugs will occur.

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 09:46:01 am »
I've allways liked the looks of this map, but your remake are even better, gj.

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2010, 03:54:18 pm »
Duz's Veoto makeover is very commendable. I think the appearance of the original is what completely turned me off to it, but his more than saves it!

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2010, 04:03:55 pm »
I miss texture stretching on the new version of Veoto :(

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2010, 05:14:31 pm »
Original wasn't too bad (and it's not that ugly, especially comparing to some other maps), but constant offmapping was really annoying. Layout is rather unbalanced, but for DM map it'll do I guess.

I really like duz's changes. Great job.
I don't really trust that block that's supposed to prevent offmapping. Maybe someone skilled enough will manage to boost his way around it (don't forget there's such thing as minisurfing). Just to be safe - make outside polys deadly and maybe add vertical walls too. Also, the map is still a bit unbalanced. Left side is still at disadvantage, and that lower route is the fastest way to red base, so I suspect that blues won't even bother with upper routes. Maybe you should move blue spawns somewhere else?

Here are a few rough ideas:
« Last Edit: January 19, 2010, 05:28:28 pm by L[0ne]R »

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2010, 05:04:38 pm »
I thought exactly that Loner! Nice idea! I'll try do that.




Update
- First screenshot updated with the new route.
- Some polybugs fixed.
- Download file updated too.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2010, 04:10:18 am by duz »
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Re: Veoto
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2010, 01:37:56 pm »
Yeah, they're awkward and would be better to just be another wide floating rock (which would also make it much easier to manage bots up there). But even as it is I'd still take it over the original. :P L[0ne]R's landscaping is nice, too.

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Re: Veoto
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2010, 07:04:23 pm »
Author of the original map here.

A couple of notes:

  • I never intended this map to be an official map. A friend had sent it to MM while I was away, so I wasn’t even aware of that before – for some reason – it was made an official map in the next release.
  • This map is not only old and unfinished but also not the latest version I had made when it was sent to MM. Which is why it has a lot of polybugs, the respawn bug (the original idea to handle that was to something along the lines of AirPirates), and other odd stuff like the “light” at the bottom right having different texture than the rest of the lights, which had been fixed in the latest version. Sadly I lost the fixed version years ago.

Frankly, I would prefer if it would be removed from any future versions of Soldat.