Can't afford BattlEye

[scarface09]

Guys quit complaining. The game will be fixed in the next 20 years. If it isn't Enesce is either dead or had the shit kicked through him.

[T.K.Maxx]

Well thatll be fun!!!    wonder if snowy still hacks soldat!!! if thers no more be soldat will becone stick arena!!! lots of hackers!!!

From: April 22, 2010, 03:44:56 pm

EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.

EnEsCe is awful at interaction with the community. When someone posted the patch notes for 1.5.1, he had the topic deleted so that his blog would get more traffic.

In order to garner interest in the beta, a community needs a strong leader to show them where the project is at, where it's going, and what needs to be done. You can't not actually lead and then whine about how nobody is helping you.

I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.

You don't need people producing a lot of code because Soldat is a mature game and has more of an issue with bugs than new features - which isn't at all the case with openSoldat. Fixing bugs takes a lot of time, but generally not a huge amount of code.

Additionally, Shoozza is a good coder, and has expressed an interest in helping develop Soldat. I'm sure there are other good programmers elsewhere in the Soldat community, and there certainly are in the open source community.

what youre saying is "Make me your leader!!!"

From: April 22, 2010, 03:46:16 pm

I read all your replies.

I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.

Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.

I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.

i could beta test for him ive been playing soldat for about 3.5 years!

[L[0ne]R]

Don't switch it off man, we can't go back. We need to go forward...

I wouldn't call relying on a 3rd-party anti-cheat as "going forward". It's more like "taking a break and letting someone else carry you until they're tired".

By going forward I would imagine improving Soldat's own anti-cheat.

i could beta test for him ive been playing soldat for about 3.5 years!

This is your chance to become a hero. Go test it. ;/
Soldat 1.5.1 beta: http://enesce.com/?dl_id=10

[-Major-]

I read all your replies.

I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.

Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.

I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.

The fps bugs currently in 1.5.1 are ridiculous... maybe NSC does need some help to complete this version, there must be some people who could atleast help him out... And if this in-game advertisement deal is going to make enough money to pay for BE; then I think everyone is going to suggest focusing on getting a stable version of 1.5.1 out pronto. I shudder to think if we return to the dark days of players flying around like superman on public and unknown players with 100% aim in sctfl. openSourcing soldat seems a great leap, but just expanding the developping team a bit seems to me like the next step. I know there is more than just NSC who can code in this forum, maybe like you say they cannot "push large amounts" but surely they can help.

In result to testing soldat i posted this fps hold button bug and it still is there every update. We cannot possibly be expected to help test soldat when we are getting below 15 fps most of the time. I remeber when the beta came out, everyone was giving it a go on #soldat.mapping gathers; quickly nobody tried as this fps bugged killed any possible testing.

ye, I played 1.5.1 a lot when it was released and tried to get it more played, but since I had 10-0.1 fps (sometimes 20, but ussualy beteween 10-4), it became unplayable.

[Mallow007]

You can start trying to make soldat a more know game around gamer circles around the world with a marketing campaign, this way you'll get more ppl to like, try, play, and pay for the game in the mean time you or other ppl work on a solution for the Be problem.

[RemiX]

If advertisement is what ya'll want then you don't need MM to do it for ya. I'm pretty sure most of ya'll play other games and are members of other forums. One way to put soldat out there is to advertise it in your signature. Make a soldat banner with whatever you want on it and put insert it as your signature on the other forum, or maybe someone can make a universal signature so people can just copy and paste. You can also make it to were if someone clicks on it and will take them to this forum.

Now I know on some forums advertisement isn't allowed so I wouldn't do it if thats the case, but honestly, what gamer wouldn't try a 13 MB, free downloadable, fast pace, multi player game?

I'm pretty sure no one really wants to see soldat go, so we are gonna have to do something so it won't. Since we can't do much, like help out with 1.5.1, we gotta do the little stuff and an example is the signature thing.   

[-Major-]

advertising a broken game won't work... even people new to the game finds out how horrible the netcode is.

[Centurion]

In my opinion the only way to maintain BE protection is by servers admins. They have to pay fee to have their server protected by battleye.

[Shinobars]

In my opinion, being without BE won't be as big a blow to Soldat as some may believe. We'll manage.

[Mercury92]

In my opinion, being without BE won't be as big a blow to Soldat as some may believe. We'll manage.

Don't you remember how many hacks there were for 1.3.X. With BE enabled they were reduced a lot and free BattlEye bypasser was/is not working.

[jerich]

Don't you remember how many hacks there were for 1.3.X. With BE enabled they were reduced a lot and free BattlEye bypasser was/is not working.

And don't you remember around that time was also the pinnacle of our players. Soon afterwards, players slowly decreased. Am I blaming BE for that? No. But even with BE, our players are still dropping because it is an old game now. Shinobars is right, with or without BE won't really make a difference in terms of popularity of this game. Admins just have to step up.

Keep this in mind. Soldat started May 9, 2002. Battle-eye came out v1.4.0 on April 29, 2007. Almost 5 years stable without BE.

[dominikkk26]

For hackers it will be great but for the worst fair game!

[Kazuki]

Also seeing as the vast majority of Soldat's activity can be accredited to the gather scene, hackers shouldn't be too much of an issue. They might kill off public servers, but it's not like there are many good ones out there at the moment. All I see is climbing, dodgeball, racing, fuck-your-mum-ing, etc. It's moronic.

I miss the old, simple, popular Soldat that didn't have all these extraneous, bug-causing features. Because at least then it was fun to play.

I don't mean to shit on anyone's parade. Soldat is an amazing game and I've always praised MM for what he has accomplished with it, but it simply strayed down the wrong path. I doubt that it can be revived short of a complete reboot.

[jerich]

Also seeing as the vast majority of Soldat's activity can be accredited to the gather scene, hackers shouldn't be too much of an issue.

I was going to make a topic about this, but I am totally against gathers. It is not BE killing the game. It's these stupid gathers that ruined the public and competitive community at the same time. Gathers are truly the downfall of soldat as much as all these people keep on praising it.

[Kazuki]

I agree with you, actually. I never liked gathers much because they were somewhat of a middle ground between strict, competitive play and fun, public play. The combination just didn't work for me. It was too serious to be fun, and it was elitist enough to drag players away from public servers, which was where I lurked most of the time.

[jrgp]

I agree with you, actually. I never liked gathers much because they were somewhat of a middle ground between strict, competitive play and fun, public play. The combination just didn't work for me. It was too serious to be fun, and it was elitist enough to drag players away from public servers, which was where I lurked most of the time.

I agree with this.

[nEttsE]

Also seeing as the vast majority of Soldat's activity can be accredited to the gather scene, hackers shouldn't be too much of an issue. They might kill off public servers, but it's not like there are many good ones out there at the moment. All I see is climbing, dodgeball, racing, f**k-your-mum-ing, etc. It's moronic.

I miss the old, simple, popular Soldat that didn't have all these extraneous, bug-causing features. Because at least then it was fun to play.

I don't mean to s**t on anyone's parade. Soldat is an amazing game and I've always praised MM for what he has accomplished with it, but it simply strayed down the wrong path. I doubt that it can be revived short of a complete reboot.

Simply, if only new WM will be put on let's say 1.2 or 1.3.0/1 version, game would be awesome. With new version worse netcode is (probably, i mean more eats surely).

EDIT: ofc, less eats means more fun for any gamer.

[ds dude]

I read all your replies.

I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.

Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.

I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.

Don't switch it off man, we can't go back. We need to go forward...

We're not going to go "forward" if he keeps having to scrape up 200 euros just to pay for BE every month.

[Veritas]

Gathers are truly the downfall of soldat as much as all these people keep on praising it.

Funny, gathers are the only reason I still play Soldat. You don't have to be in a clan and find a cw to play a match that's more interesting than your average pub.

It's cool that you, Kazuki, et. al. don't like gathers, but calling it the downfall of Soldat is a bit hyperbolic.

[jerich]

Gathers are truly the downfall of soldat as much as all these people keep on praising it.

Funny, gathers are the only reason I still play Soldat. You don't have to be in a clan and find a cw to play a match that's more interesting than your average pub.

It's cool that you, Kazuki, et. al. don't like gathers, but calling it the downfall of Soldat is a bit hyperbolic.

I made a new topic so we don't go off-topic about donations/help for battle-eye

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=38035.new#new