Can't afford BattlEye

[Sauron]

i think BE is not the only way we have to solve this. im not saying SABLE effort is useless, ofc not.

It is like "BE or nothing" these days, eC is working on 1.5.1 for so long time and chance to have own anti-cheat for Soldat is about 1%. More important thing is that eC is and I am sure he will work on Soldat only himself without other guys. With this progress we are going to wait months for release.

[L[0ne]R]

With all respect, but creating a whole new (and great!) game is not something you do easily. It's hard work, ask MM. He's continuously working on LD for years now and still has a "long" road to go. Personally I think we will never see openSoldat being released. Just look at its current activity. It's like so many of these projects that are so very ambitious in the beginning - only wishful thinking and talking, but the result: nothing. This is not meant to offend those behind openSoldat, but that's just how I see it.

Well, the difference is that the game has already been created (it's called Soldat, perhaps you've heard of it). openSoldat is planned to be the same game, just coded differently.

The thing about LD taking so long is because it's entirely new - from gameplay concept to how the maps are made and rendered. Soldat, AFAIK, was just a school project MM did long ago. I think we have some talanted people on the team who can do more than just a school-level project.

Also, there is some progress (even though it's rather slow right now), but saying that this project is completely hopeless is rather skeptical. It's not going downhill just yet, so there's still something to hope for.

i think BE is not the only way we have to solve this. im not saying SABLE effort is useless, ofc not.

It is like "BE or nothing" these days, eC is working on 1.5.1 for so long time and chance to have own anti-cheat for Soldat is about 1%. More important thing is that eC is and I am sure he will work on Soldat only himself without other guys. With this progress we are going to wait months for release.

That doesn't mean that picking on $able is the only solution. He has the right to get paid for his work because in my opinion he's achieved good results with BEye. Like I said, another solution would be improving Soldat's own anti-cheat. For that you'd need to pick on MM and NSC, because like it's been said by many - having one person working on the game that is in such a bad state is unreasonable.

[$able]

Well, the difference is that the game has already been created (it's called Soldat, perhaps you've heard of it). openSoldat is planned to be the same game, just coded differently.

True, but that doesn't make it any easier to actually create (code). It's still a completely new game.

[Dusty]

It's not going downhill just yet --

It's not going downhill, it's going nowhere.

[zakath]

sable so what you are saying is that we both have to donate to the 200 euro to mm and also pay a monthly fee / server?

[Furai]

No, he doesn't want to get fixed amount of money. 200 euros is kinda small comparing to all money he can get paying for every server individually (look at lobby - there are over 200 servers...and who's not greedy now? )

[zakath]

also what would be considered a large enough number of servers for you too continue?

[ljpiano]

... im imagining Snowy. Omg

[$able]

No, he doesn't want to get fixed amount of money. 200 euros is kinda small comparing to all money he can get paying for every server individually (look at lobby - there are over 200 servers...and who's not greedy now? )

Most will simply ignore it, therefore I don't expect to come even close to 200 that way.

[Furai]

I know. Was just trolling a lil' bit. I really appreciate all the work and time you put into developing BE.

And seriously - most of the people will just simply turn off BE protection in their servers. Only big hosting companies will be able to afford it.

[Veritas]

And seriously - most of the people will just simply turn off BE protection in their servers. Only big hosting companies will be able to afford it.

Or they could do the smarter thing and (for the free server people) only host a couple of servers rather than a bunch that are used off and on. At the moment there are 498 servers in the lobby and 377 are unused.

For the paid servers, just pass that cost onto the client if he wants protection.

[Ox*r0x]

useless having public, gather and clan servers without BE running.

[squiddy]

useless having public, gather and clan servers without BE running.

True.

Cheaters are everywhere, and they always mess up all servers

@Topic

Soo.... What are we going to do about it ?

Will we have to pay a tax to continue with BattleEye, or what ?

[Veritas]

useless having public, gather and clan servers without BE running.

Then consolidate your servers and get your users to pay or donate the princely sum of 2 Euros a month.

[Ox*r0x]

why consolidate something thats is giving for free to the community ? i never wanted to earn money from soldat and i will never ask for it when im the 1st one telling that free games shouldn't be payed. 1 thing is VIP regist features, thats ok, another thing is a free service for the community being payed by myself. For that, i stop offering my german, netherlands, france and american servers.

[-Major-]

get ads to pay for BE or screw it...
open source if it ads can't pay the bill.

I personally would never pay 200 euro a month for something like BE (f**king up demos for like half a year, making people have horrible fps drops for 1-2 months). ofc it's obvious Sable wants money for his work, like everyone else would... nobody wastes time during a long period of time without any benefites.

[scarface09]

Well said chap

[Veritas]

why consolidate something thats is giving for free to the community ?

Are you honestly this thick?
1. You want to have BE on your servers.
2. You have 20 servers that aren't being used 90-100% of the time (and probably not even 20%)
3. You don't want to pay for BE on all of those servers.
4. You consolidate those servers down to a number where you can afford BE out of pocket/from donations.

i never wanted to earn money from soldat

Do you understand that if you ask your players to donate/charge 2 Euros a month for BE you yourself are not actually making money because really I'm not sure of anything at this point.

free games shouldn't be payed.

That's nice, but Soldat is shareware. You have to pay money to get access to features.

free service for the community being payed by myself.

If you don't want to take donations or charge, then just don't pay for BE it is literally that simple. You're not getting BE for free, so stop acting like you're entitled to it.

From: April 28, 2010, 12:11:25 pm

what rOx is trying to say that those of us that dont spend money on buying a server from a rental but instead get our own dedicated servers which are way cheaper then renting 20+ servers from say selfkill the cost increases quite much.
for example I pay 25 euro / month for a dedicated server and if I had to pay BE for every single on those soldatservers I host the bill would add up to(if we assume 2 euro / server) somewhere along the line of 125 euro where BE is providing 100(50 soldatservers) euro of that. simply put my bill would increases x 5. And suddenly its not as interesting to provide servers for free to ppl if I have to spend 125 euro / month.

And do you really need 50 servers? I severely doubt it. As I've been saying, consolidate your servers. Put up a rental system similar to SCTFLs for clans, cut down the number of extraneous servers that are rarely used. If clans want a private server, charge them that 2 Euro per month because that is still a stupidly good deal for a server.

this change might mean you guys have to change!!! i know its scary but you can do it!

[Fubister]

some arguing and brainstorming which is good, but there is still no final decisions, and we are pretty much running out of time

[Furai]

I thought that it is already decided...if you want to have BE secured server you will have to pay for it.