Illegal?

[Shard]

I use Vuze. When I download stuff, it starts seeding. I have my seeding set to like 1kb/s? I just stop and delete it from list. ISP's usually only hassle you if your seeding. So get Vuze and do what I do.

[DarkCrusade]

Any traffic can be recorded. Even if it was 1kb/s. Deleting the seed from your list doesn't make things undone.. just get some account for a website like Rapidshare and you'll be fine - not mentioning that Rapidshare's download speed is so much higher than Vuze's. If you can't afford one, try sharing one with a group of people, it's worth it

[Veritas]

Alternatively use that money to actually buy the product you're interested in

[killzonea59]

Haha, if i had money, believe me, i wouldn't need to have done any of this.

[Shard]

Any traffic can be recorded. Even if it was 1kb/s. Deleting the seed from your list doesn't make things undone.. just get some account for a website like Rapidshare and you'll be fine - not mentioning that Rapidshare's download speed is so much higher than Vuze's. If you can't afford one, try sharing one with a group of people, it's worth it

Well yeah, its all recorded but its less likely they will come down on you if you seed at a low speed, therefore not being one of the first picked seeds for who ever is downloading that file.

I don't see the point in a rapidshare account. Vuze does me fine, for the little it use it for.

Hah yeah, if I did have money why would I be torrenting?

[Gizd]

Haha, if i had money, believe me, i wouldn't need to have done any of this.

You have enough money for internet though(or it's free).

[Veritas]

If you don't have money for it you could always not pirate it!!!!

Just a thought

[killzonea59]

Haha, if i had money, believe me, i wouldn't need to have done any of this.

You have enough money for internet though(or it's free).

Charter bundle deal, for the price of one, you get three.
Internet, phone, and cable.
I'm not the one paying for it haha.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Haha, if i had money, believe me, i wouldn't need to have done any of this.

You have enough money for internet though(or it's free).

I pay about 60 dollars a month for internet.  You know how many games that would buy me? ONE.  We pirate because costs add up pretty darn quick.

[DarkCrusade]

That's pretty much for a flatrate, we pay around 36€ a month..

@Below: Stop already, it's futile.

[Veritas]

Haha, if i had money, believe me, i wouldn't need to have done any of this.

You have enough money for internet though(or it's free).

I pay about 60 dollars a month for internet.  You know how many games that would buy me? ONE.  We pirate because costs add up pretty darn quick.

Since I spend money on one good, I should get other goods for free!!

[Centurion]

I spent 4000 grand on fixing my car, I SHOULD GET MOVIES, GAMES, WOMEN for free! YAY!

[L[0ne]R]

I pay about 60 dollars a month for internet.  You know how many games that would buy me? ONE.  We pirate because costs add up pretty darn quick.

That's the sad truth. You have to be filthy rich in order to afford every single game/movie/music album you want. If you have a good-paying job - buying those wouldn't be that much of a problem, but most gamers are 16-24 year-olds and chances are, most of them still work at places like McDonalds which isn't exactly a gold mine.
Still, that doesn't make pirating any more legal.. oh well.

[FliesLikeABrick]

Use encryption and download PeerBlock. PeerBlock might not do much to disallow viewing traffic by your ISP though.

It isn't the ISP that cares.  They get legal complaints from the copyright owner, and all the ISP is doing is passing it on to you. The ISP wouldn't have to care if they didn't have to, it costs them money to do.

The original poster seems to mostly understand that it isn't *downloading* that you get in legal trouble for, it is the *sharing* part that you get in trouble for.

edit: oh, and pretty much everything Major is posting to this thread is misguided and incorrect.  I'm not going to go through and cite everything, but here's an important one:

copy right is extremely out dated, it works if you live in the 0-1990, internet has changed the whole world.
expecting an old rule to be unaffected is just retarded.

That's like saying that because Blu Ray and DVDs are most popular now, it should be legal to go steal someone's VHS tapes out of their house.  Or because it's 2010, it should be legal to steal/burn/crash/destroy someone's '87 Corolla.  "Because it's outdated!"

Otherwise... how would they know if you have the movie or not? do they illegally view your computers content?
They "caught" you by checking your traffic, which I think they need to suspect you for a crime (rather serious one, the way you may not enter a house before a judge has given you permission) to be allowed to do.

The companies that are hired to enforce the copyright of the movie studio see your IP as a peer in the torrent.  They note that you are partaking in the torrent and therefore uploading/sharing the copyrighted content with other peers.  They then send a legal notice to your ISP asking them to either pass on the DMCA/other complaint to you (the "John Doe") or they may send your ISP legal paperwork to identify you so that the copyright owner can sue you in court.

A lot of the tactics that the MPAA/RIAA use are morally and legally questionable, but that doesn't change the fact that by US and international copyright laws/treaties, file sharing copyrighted content is illegal.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

I pay about 60 dollars a month for internet.  You know how many games that would buy me? ONE.  We pirate because costs add up pretty darn quick.

Since I spend money on one good, I should get other goods for free!!

That's really not my justification at all.  I pay for internet because I can't get it for free.  It's the same reason I pay for food, insurance, electricity, etc. etc. etc.  If there was suddenly a low risk way to get those things for free, I would totally jump on that too.

[jrgp]

If it's at all comforting, the MPAA/RIAA can't detect and crack down on the vast majority of torrent users since there are so many of them. For example, go to pirate bay and browse all torrents in order of descending seeders. You'll see hundreds upon hundreds of thousands.

[killzonea59]

_{Use encryption and download PeerBlock. PeerBlock might not do much to disallow viewing traffic by your ISP though.}

It isn't the ISP that cares.  They get legal complaints from the copyright owner, and all the ISP is doing is passing it on to you. The ISP wouldn't have to care if they didn't have to, it costs them money to do.

Yeah, that's what my notice said, they were getting complaints from whoever and everything.

If it's at all comforting, the MPAA/RIAA can't detect and crack down on the vast majority of torrent users since there are so many of them. For example, go to pirate bay and browse all torrents in order of descending seeders. You'll see hundreds upon hundreds of thousands.

And that's where i go, Pirate Bay.

[Veritas]

I pay about 60 dollars a month for internet.  You know how many games that would buy me? ONE.  We pirate because costs add up pretty darn quick.

Since I spend money on one good, I should get other goods for free!!

That's really not my justification at all.  I pay for internet because I can't get it for free.  It's the same reason I pay for food, insurance, electricity, etc. etc. etc.  If there was suddenly a low risk way to get those things for free, I would totally jump on that too.

So the only reason you don't steal regular goods is because you it's high risk? jesus christ

[FliesLikeABrick]

I pay about 60 dollars a month for internet.  You know how many games that would buy me? ONE.  We pirate because costs add up pretty darn quick.

Since I spend money on one good, I should get other goods for free!!

That's really not my justification at all.  I pay for internet because I can't get it for free.  It's the same reason I pay for food, insurance, electricity, etc. etc. etc.  If there was suddenly a low risk way to get those things for free, I would totally jump on that too.

Some great set of ethics you people all have...

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

So the only reason you don't steal regular goods is because you it's high risk? jesus christ

That, and because regular goods have a depletable supply.  Let's say I want a big screen TV.  If I steal it, the store no longer has it and can no longer make money off of it.  I don't have enough money to buy the TV, so they'll never make a sale to me, either.  However, if I could make a duplicate of the TV while leaving the original untouched, I have something I would never have gotten otherwise, and the store is still free to sell the TV they have.  Everyone wins.