Teams shuffled each round

[smiluu]

God damnit Loner and grindmaster, your nothing but pessimistic blabber that doesn't help anybody. Shuffle vote would obviously be a big help in place of nothing. It would be abused by huggyplumps just like vote kick feature is, thats given, but isn't it nice you can vote an asshole out of the server when it's really appropriate?

[L[0ne]R]

you can vote an asshole out of the server when it's really appropriate?

1) It's 33% chance that you can, 33% that you can't, and 34% that you'll end up being kicked instead (I admit, I exaggerated somewhat, but you get the picture)
2) I don't see what does "voting out an asshole" have to do with balancing problems.

Also, why add more abusable features if they'll need to be fixed later on anyway? It's better to make them hard to abuse in the first place, and also fix what is already abusable.

Call me a pessimist if you want. What I'm doing is I'm considering worst case scenarios and basing my judgement on real experiences. And above all that - I'm simply expressing my own opinion. I don't think it's against the rules.

[smiluu]

Why so insecure? Well, I don't think it's agaisnt rules to have opinions on others's opinions as well. Asshole kick comment was simply a reference for there's plenty of features that are there for the greater good, but which still has it's abuser kindoms. What they call it? Two edged sword? Beaver's barrage? Shiitake mushroom shaped butthole? Well you get the idea.

[Mitak]

Lawdy lawdy! Jeebus, you gots ta help me! Stop trolling ma thread with your fukken philosophical bullscheisse. Real assholes won't bother ruining your whine of despair. They'll abuse the votekick instead. If you're looking for a no-abuse option, then just do it the communist way - Shuffle the herd automatically at the start of each round. If you make it a voting option mid-game, not only will it produce a massive chimpout, but if it works, you're gonna ruin what the players have achieved so far.

We're talking about BALANCE during startup to avoid further patheticizing of one team, not balance mid-game which will result in Quasheequa chimping out and votekicking yo ass...

Also, go to Athens or something...

[thegrandmaster]

Unfortunately there are more jerks on Soldat than you think. Consider the scenario when all of the winning team votes against balancing only because they like easy wins. So it's all up to the losing team to vote for balancing.
And it just so happens that one player on the red team happens to be "random voter" who votes F11 for anything. And most likely it would be the deciding vote against rebalancing.
With 8 or 10 players on the server usually every vote makes a big difference. Also consider a scenario when the server isn't even full.

The vote percentage for shuffling would have to be around the 50% mark to pass.
I get what you mean by this.

there's plenty of features that are there for the greater good, but which still has it's abuser kindoms

I also agree with this - most features can be abused in someway, the kick feature especially. However the usefulness of the kick feature outweighs the idiots that abuse it, in the same way I think that the shuffle feature would on the whole produce better games.

[smiluu]

Lawdy lawdy! Jeebus, you gots ta help me! Stop trolling ma thread with your fukken philosophical bullscheisse. Real assholes won't bother ruining your whine of despair. They'll abuse the votekick instead. If you're looking for a no-abuse option, then just do it the communist way - Shuffle the herd automatically at the start of each round. If you make it a voting option mid-game, not only will it produce a massive chimpout, but if it works, you're gonna ruin what the players have achieved so far.

We're talking about BALANCE during startup to avoid further patheticizing of one team, not balance mid-game which will result in Quasheequa chimping out and votekicking yo ass...

Now your confusing the fuck out of me. I thought the topic was about shuffling, not balancing.

[thegrandmaster]

Shuffling would achieve little. Balancing is shuffling while making the game fairer. Simples?

[smiluu]

Im following you, sire. But incase you forgot, my suggestion was to forget the each round team balance idea and make a vote option for Shuffling Teams instead, that would do something around like this to the teams. First shuffle was for vain? Then vote ze shuffle again.

[thegrandmaster]

ahh we were not planning on automatic balancing at the end of each map...
We were on about a system where players would vote for shuffling, then the server would look at the stats of the players at the end of that map, then shuffle them into teams that would be fairer (essentially balancing teams while shuffling them)..

Basically, your idea except the server calculates the new teams rather than just picking at random.

[Mitak]

Calculating their power is useless since, by my observation, many players get kicked at the end of the round because they don't have the map. The vote is even more useless. It'll work in maybe 1 of 10 cases. Nobody surviving the map change can skip the shuffling during startup, though

[10th_account]

Replace the team selection when joining a game with a screen that tells the player to "press [Fire button] " to spawn, and the player will be placed in the team with the least players or, failing that, a random team. But one could also press T or something to manually select the team, so as to not annoy clan players and friends.

Screenshot from a game I think handles it better than Soldat:
http://skoskav.org/etc/spawnmenu.png

[thegrandmaster]

Could work I suppose.
I would suggest that it would select which team you automatically join by either the one with less players, and failing that the one who's losing.
Some servers almost do this already - once connected to the server it automatically places you in a team.
I think this is a simple suggestion, but it's nice - instead of choosing manually first, and possibly being changed afterwards by the server, it would be better to be placed automatically by default and then use the old 'change teams' menu ingame if you have a specific need.