Unveiling The Official Soldat Web Gather

[jrgp]

The question should be "Vtg, what is it you want me NOT to do?"

Alright, Vtg, what is it you want me NOT to do?

[DarkCrusade]

Taking into consideration time and effort which jrgp has put in it and the current situation of soldat as well as number of players in the gathers, I need to state that this kind of "improving" game is a waste of time.

Like nothing else is being improved. Seriously.

What's so special in this gather? I've look through the topic, there are some commands for map change, pause, unpause, unban, what can one need more? Hm... maybe a stable game?

The fact that you don't need IRC to play and keep track of your stats. Many players don't understand how they can use IRC, so they just don't play gathers. This way everyone can play gathermatches.

[Vtg]

The question should be "Vtg, what is it you want me NOT to do?"

Alright, Vtg, what is it you want me NOT to do?

My answer was supposed to change the question in such a way, that you will guess the answer. If you still do not know what the anwer is, it is: the official gather.

From: December 30, 2010, 04:12:37 pm

What's so special in this gather? I've look through the topic, there are some commands for map change, pause, unpause, unban, what can one need more? Hm... maybe a stable game?

The fact that you don't need IRC to play and keep track of your stats. Many players don't understand how they can use IRC, so they just don't play gathers. This way everyone can play gathermatches.

I'm one of those brilliant players who know how to use IRC, so it's not special for me.

[DarkCrusade]

If it's nothing special for you, it is nothing special at all. I mean, everyone's supposed to be like you. You are teh coolest betch around.

[Illuminatus]

Ehm, dude, stop the trolling. Did you read those two topics? *clickly* *click*
Now stop the ranting and think for one second. There are developers who are focusing on other stuff than the *OFFICIAL* gather. This is their roadmap:
* No portal.
* May be hardwareIds instead of the tagId from portal but its lowpriority.
* Bugfixes, we are focusing on stuff like map load times, fps issues, netcode issues and such.

I have no idea if these things make you happy or not because you only jumped in here and started the flaming without giving any suggestion what to do to improve the "bad bad" situation (You wrote "Instead of fixing bugs, rewriting bad written code". Now read the roadmap again).

It just seems like jrgp is the guy responsible for the forum and website stuff. Maybe he will also join the client-development lateron but at the moment he focuses on the web-gather. He already started developing this gather some time ago - why should he stop and "close notepad++" only because of some troll who doesn't like the web-gather-idea and is not able to read the announcements?

sorry for the slow pace. I guess I'm getting it done in a bunch of relatively small coding chunks. Hopefully I'll have it all done by next month or so.

What slow pace?? You announced this only 15 days ago and see where you are now. Take your time, don't push yourself too much. There was no irony when I said "you're making good progress".
And it doesn't need to be done next month. I don't think we'll have a new Soldat-version before 2 months so no need to hurry (because the release would be a great promotion and would eventually bring the masses to the web-gather).

Wishing you all a happy New Year btw!

[Monsteri]

I agree with Illuminatus. Vtg, you cried about low ppl playing soldat. Well, this is the best thing to newcomers! They think what to do and many even can't do backflip. And oh yeah, it's an *OFFICIAL* gather, so if they don't just *click* download, and go away, gather is a place they can go and get some informations. So they can get smoother income, and they don't go immediatly soldat is closed to ''add and remove programs'' (I don't know what's it in english, but well we call it to ''Lisää ja poista ohjelmia'' lol)   Well, I'm not good at making points so I just say, that It's a *GOOD* thing at least and being developed, as other stuff too.

(You wrote "Instead of fixing bugs, rewriting bad written code". Now read the roadmap again).

It just seems like jrgp is the guy responsible for the forum and website stuff. Maybe he will also join the client-development lateron but at the moment he focuses on the web-gather. He already started developing this gather some time ago - why should he stop and "close notepad++"

So, read *EVERYTHING* and *THEN* come back to *WHINE* If there is that much kicking.

[freestyler]

It's funny to see "stop trolling" at the beginning of a post that has more than 1500 characters. By writing such a long reply you admit that he trolled you.

btw. chat magically stops working when a gather starts (all slots full). It looks like it happens only when I'm participating in that gather, so it might be connected with displaying server address or beeping sound. I'm using Opera. afaik DorkeyDear said that on Opera it malfunctioned for him too.

[Vtg]

There are developers who are focusing on other stuff than the *OFFICIAL* gather. This is their roadmap:
* No portal.
* May be hardwareIds instead of the tagId from portal but its lowpriority.
* Bugfixes, we are focusing on stuff like map load times, fps issues, netcode issues and such.

The fact that there are developers does not mean there are enough developers. I have stop caring about annoucements, since I noticed they don't do what they say. I am looking at what have already been done, not what is actually written in roadmap. They say the bug fixing is the priority, so why am I seeing yet another gather, instead of a game update? How much time has passed?

I have no idea if these things make you happy or not because you only jumped in here and started the flaming without giving any suggestion what to do to improve the "bad bad" situation (You wrote "Instead of fixing bugs, rewriting bad written code". Now read the roadmap again).

Oh, there was a long discussion (2 annoucements back) about what should be done, yet before shoooza joined the team, I am not going to start this again, if you want to know, read it:

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39129.msg479569#msg479569

It just seems like jrgp is the guy responsible for the forum and website stuff. Maybe he will also join the client-development lateron but at the moment he focuses on the web-gather. He already started developing this gather some time ago - why should he stop and "close notepad++" only because of some troll who doesn't like the web-gather-idea and is not able to read the announcements?

Where did I say I don't like the web-gather idea? It's just a waste of time for game developers to care about such a thing now. Just look at the team... 5 programmers... I ask one more time - where are the RESULTS then? I know it will take some time before all the bugs are fixed, but the more developers work on it the better.

Maybe jrgp has just not enough knowledge about Delphi or no experience at this (I'm sure he has, since Delphi is pretty easy, especially for someone who has already programmed in a few languages)? But if so: WHY did he join the development team then?

[thegrandmaster]

The fact that there are developers does not mean there are enough developers. I have stop caring about annoucements, since I noticed they don't do what they say. I am looking at what have already been done, not what is actually written in roadmap. They say the bug fixing is the priority, so why am I seeing yet another gather, instead of a game update? How much time has passed?

Game updates take time. These guys are doing their very best to make soldat and the community that surrounds it a better place. Whether it's by fixing game bugs and working on new updates, or this online gather which imo is a great thing for soldat - it'll allow players from an array of skill, from brilliant to ok people, to have the gather experience and improve - it's an awesome tool to have!.
MM made the decision to select the people he has because otherwise soldat was going down a completely different path. He did what in our minds was the best thing to do for soldat's future, and I believe these guys are already making an impact and the gather is sign of great things.

Where did I say I don't like the web-gather idea? It's just a waste of time for game developers to care about such a thing now. Just look at the team... 5 programmers... I ask one more time - where are the RESULTS then? I know it will take some time before all the bugs are fixed, but the more developers work on it the better.

It is no waste. jrgp is working to improve the community at the moment by creating this thing from SCRATCH!.
It'll be great fun and a nice place to meet and play the people here on the forums. It's also a much friendlier place to introduce new players to.
What the heck do you think all the other developers are doing? Twiddling their thumbs??
I don't know for sure, but jrgp will probably help the others once the gather reaches where he and we want it to be.

Maybe jrgp has just not enough knowledge about Delphi or no experience at this (I'm sure he has, since Delphi is pretty easy, especially for someone who has already programmed in a few languages)? But if so: WHY did he join the development team then?

Because MM saw that he could help improve soldat. And that he has.

[Vtg]

I agree with Illuminatus. Vtg, you cried about low ppl playing soldat. Well, this is the best thing to newcomers! They think what to do and many even can't do backflip. And oh yeah, it's an *OFFICIAL* gather, so if they don't just *click* download, and go away, gather is a place they can go and get some informations. So they can get smoother income, and they don't go immediatly soldat is closed to ''add and remove programs'' (I don't know what's it in english, but well we call it to ''Lisää ja poista ohjelmia'' lol)   Well, I'm not good at making points so I just say, that It's a *GOOD* thing at least and being developed, as other stuff too.

It will probably fail (as the integrated chat did), because it's nothing new. We already have chat clients, we already have gathers.

1. You need to be registered on soldat forums to play (yes, I've just entered soldat site). Someone who has just installed soldat will PROBABLY turn it on instead of registering at some unknown forum. Then he might forget about something like an *OFFICIAL* gather.

2. For older players this is just another gather like many others and I think they will keep playing their own ones.

3. It's not integrated into soldat. Maybe that's good, cuz it might fail as the chat did.

4. If and only if it is supposed to be integrated into soldat, I'd see it better as a gather client, so you can select an _existing_ gather in-game, add to it, keep playing public servers, and when gather starts it will immediately redirect, something like on Leo's servers. Newcomers would see it everytime they turn on the game and older players could play their own old gathers. It would require cooperation with gather admins (I think it's better than fighting them).

[DarkCrusade]

I'm pretty sure it's easier for a new Soldat player to register here than getting started with IRC. If you only care about old players, our community will decrease in number even faster. If we want new players, and we sure want, we must move on to new things and this gather is one possibility.

Why can't you stop ranting about it? jrgp is not the main developer, and since a team is working on Soldat, the rest can make good progress while jrgp works on the gather.

[Monsteri]

New idea: There should be 'Sign in' link in request of profile and pass.

[Vtg]

I'm pretty sure it's easier for a new Soldat player to register here than getting started with IRC. If you only care about old players, our community will decrease in number even faster. If we want new players, and we sure want, we must move on to new things and this gather is one possibility.

It's easier indeed, but it's about whether they will do it or not.

People don't join community right after game has installed, don't you think?

Why can't you stop ranting about it? jrgp is not the main developer, and since a team is working on Soldat, the rest can make good progress while jrgp works on the gather.

Read:

I am here to unveil a project MM and I have been working on for several months now: The Official Soldat Web Gather.

SEVERAL months. Imagine what he would have known if he had been analysing soldat code for such an amount of time (or at least since EnEsCe resigned) He would already been able to help shoozza probably. There are other fans who can write gather tools. Are there other fans who can code soldat?

New idea: There should be 'Sign in' link in request of profile and pass.

Definately. Who will bother searching some forums while can already run the game?


From: December 31, 2010, 10:01:22 amI do not know why I keep replying to this DarkCrusade, I do not know who he is, but it is like talking to a rock. He keeps saying the same bullshit all the time, instead of posting rational counter-arguments.

[DarkCrusade]

Do you want to tell jrgp what he has to do? As I stated already - something you have completly ignored - there is a team working on Soldat. If EnEsCe was still the only developer I would totally agree with you. But the way things are, I don't.

[Vtg]

Do you want to tell jrgp what he has to do? As I stated already - something you have completly ignored - there is a team working on Soldat. If EnEsCe was still the only developer I would totally agree with you. But the way things are, I don't.

Ok, now you have convinced me that you are a rock...

Please read my messages or simply stay quiet.

[Furai]

First of all - jrgp signed CLA about 2 weeks ago. He didn't see the code of soldat till that time. He joined the dev team cause he's helping maintaining servers and doing web stuff. It was MM's initiative to add him to dev team.

Rest of the devs were announced about month ago. It took them another week to sign the CLA as they and MM live in different time zones. So we can say they are working on soldat's code for 2 weeks now (Shoozza a bit longer) and they are actually doing something. I've been talking to them.

Edit: You can't forget also that they had to have some time to get used to the code.

[L[0ne]R]

@vtg: You're expressing your opinion on something that hasn't even happened yet. Stop being a jackass, just be quiet and wait. When things actually happen - then you can complain all you want.

P.S. Insulting others won't make your point stronger. Don't try it.

[Vtg]

@vtg: You're expressing your opinion on something that hasn't even happened yet. Stop being a jackass, just be quiet and wait. When things actually happen - then you can complain all you want.

P.S. Insulting others won't make your point stronger. Don't try it.

Hasn't happened? Hasn't gather already been created?

P.S. But he proofed himself to be a rock, I'm sorry.

[L[0ne]R]

@vtg: You're expressing your opinion on something that hasn't even happened yet. Stop being a jackass, just be quiet and wait. When things actually happen - then you can complain all you want.

P.S. Insulting others won't make your point stronger. Don't try it.

Hasn't happened? Hasn't gather already been created?

From what I see, you're complaining about this gather not being useful, not because it was created. And my point was that it's too early to judge whether it's useless or not.

P.S. But he proofed himself to be a rock, I'm sorry.

*sigh* You've just proven that you're not mature enough to be taken seriously.

[Vtg]

From what I see, you're complaining about this gather not being useful, not because it was created. And my point was that it's too early to judge whether it's useless or not.

Ahhh this is called prediction, a great gift from God, we humans have, that enables us to prevent making mistakes.
Hm... maybe I'm really not serious... :/