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I'm pretty sure it's easier for a new Soldat player to register here than getting started with IRC. If you only care about old players, our community will decrease in number even faster. If we want new players, and we sure want, we must move on to new things and this gather is one possibility.
First of all - jrgp signed CLA about 2 weeks ago. He didn't see the code of soldat till that time. He joined the dev team cause he's helping maintaining servers and doing web stuff. It was MM's initiative to add him to dev team.
Ok...so...I have not read all the topic, since it's pointless to read all 'how great web gather is' and 'what a great job has been done'.Let me state the facts:The game is dying, because it's buggy and has no updates; less and less people play it.Someone who does not know what is happening here could say: "I'm sure the main developers are working hard to make this game better, they know that there are fewer players than before, thus they must be doing some hard coding and debugging, they probably don't even sleep, I hope they will finish it soon!"But what are the main developers really doing? Instead of fixing bugs, rewriting bad written code, they are creating next useless ****ing gather. Wait, I forgot, this is an *OFFICIAL* gather! This must be something exciting, because this is an *OFFICIAL* gather! Really? Now will I be able to play on an *OFFICIAL* gather? No, I can't believe it, I played many games and most of them didn't have one, but in soldat... YES! I do have an *OFFICIAL* gather! An *OFFICIAL* gather must bring lots of new players! Woah!There are LOTS of gathers we can play on, many of them are often empty, because there are too many of them. Only #soldat.gather has 6 servers while there r usually 2, maybe 3 running at the same time. Who the hell needs another one for such a small community?Maybe the new developer wanted to show that he is not that useless and is going to make something for this community? Sure, web gather is something that community can use. Maybe add customized skins? How love we shiny and colourful skins! It also lacks some music playing in the background, because while waiting for a gather I WANT TO HEAR MUSIC!Please, close notepad++, give up server-side scripting for some time, and do some REAL coding.Good job, keep following EnEsCe...
People don't join community right after game has installed, don't you think?
The idea that this particular gather will attract any more new people is pretty ridiculous.
A person who is already visits this forum already has plenty of information on how to get on IRC and play a gather.
A person who doesn't rarely visits soldat.pl anyway, so how does this attract them? Why do you think they'll blindly stumble onto the gather and actually play one when it's so inactive?
And it sure as hell does nothing for the people on IRC, who already have an active gather community.
If you plan on integrating this into Soldat, great,
QuoteSuch thing should be implented in soldat and not some browser...No, because nobody has time to sit with the game turned on. Everybody uses browsers and it is easiest and most convenient to wait for others while you're browsing your daily porn or whatever you do on the internet.QuoteI bet 90% of the gather players use IRCNo problem, let them use IRC. This is a Gather for 90% of the population that doesn't even know what IRC is and doesn't intend on using it.
Such thing should be implented in soldat and not some browser...
I bet 90% of the gather players use IRC
Instead of focusing on the current community, they should be focusing on expanding the game to a new player base so that it doesn't die!
So pls tell us you almighty what you would do to "expand the game to a new player base"?
I don't want to download, install and configure a new programm, register to quakenet (because I lost my old auth-information) just to play a sort-of "organized" game with some fellow strangers.
Quote from: Veritas on December 31, 2010, 06:16:13 pmA person who doesn't rarely visits soldat.pl anyway, so how does this attract them? Why do you think they'll blindly stumble onto the gather and actually play one when it's so inactive?What usually happend when a new Soldat version was release? People somehow changed to the new version although there was no update-notification ingame or some newsletter or whatever.
Quote from: Veritas on December 31, 2010, 06:16:13 pmAnd it sure as hell does nothing for the people on IRC, who already have an active gather community.Once again, it's not for them. Get it.
Quote from: Illuminatus on January 01, 2011, 06:46:35 pmQuote from: Veritas on December 31, 2010, 06:16:13 pmAnd it sure as hell does nothing for the people on IRC, who already have an active gather community.Once again, it's not for them. Get it.I completely get it. I am in absolute understanding, and I am trying to help. The difference between a new gather being successful and a new gather being played a couple of times and then petering out is having enough people to give it momentum. You don't have people. Your audience may or may not even exist. To say "oh it will be popular because it's so EASY" is overly optimistic and I don't care if it rains on your personal parade to point that out.
google mIRCfind a tutorial set it updone in less then 5minutes
Quote from: Meteorisch on January 02, 2011, 06:17:30 pmgoogle mIRCfind a tutorial set it updone in less then 5minutesIf following a tutorial was that easy - we wouldn't have that discussion in the first place. You need to actually understand what's going on in the tutorial, not just blindly follow the steps (which don't even match for some people, or aren't clear enough). That means you have to read all of that and try to make sense of it. Personally, I'd rather spend time playing, not trying to set up some weird-looking program.
(Why all the guides recommend this, I find the webchat so much easier, oh well noobs wouldn't know)
You don't need to auto send commands, use scripting or chatlogging to join a gather though.
Just so we are clear: your target audience is the people too dumb to install mIRC. These are the people you are planning on joining your gather and being able to comprehend the rules of. These are the people you want to play with.
Quote from: Veritas on January 03, 2011, 02:15:40 amJust so we are clear: your target audience is the people too dumb to install mIRC. These are the people you are planning on joining your gather and being able to comprehend the rules of. These are the people you want to play with.Correct. Or just people who want something different.