Soldat Poster Limited Offer

[Michal Marcinkowski]

For the first time in history you can put a poster with your favorite game on your wall. It uses the famous Rambo kill'em all dude from the frontpage. You can take a look at it here. The size is 118 x 42 cm so it's BIG. Do you want this in your room now?

Thanks to the guys at gameposter.net you can now preorder your SOLDAT POSTER for only 9.99EU. The regular price will be 14.95EU. You've got only about 14 days to do this (watch the date I posted this; this is until the posters get printed). Shipping Costs are 3.50 (even if you order multiple items).

GamePoster is a new German based company that licenses, produces and sells high quality game posters to gamers. Once you preorder they will print your poster, roll it and foil-wrap it. They guarantee the highest quality print and packaging delivered at your door step. So don't hesitate, I know you want it.

[Spi.deY]

13.49 for a single poster ? SUREEEEEEEEEE

I prefer to give the password of my paypal account to the new developers

[TheV]

MM desperate for monies aye...

[n2j3]

How about this stylish tie? http://www.zazzle.co.uk/soldat_dude_tie-151324401987403163 . For the discerning gamer.  

Fabulous !

[edit]
P.S I would pay 30 euros for a signed poster.

[VirtualTT]

No, thanks... I already have one...

[jrgp]

Whoa I definitely feel I should, given how cheap it is.  I could so see this in my room above my bed! I'm not thrilled about having to rearrange my scarface and gta: sa posters, though.

I can't tell from the site: will they ship it to the usa?

[CheeSeMan.]

Whoa I definitely feel I should, given how cheap it is.  I could so see this in my room above my bed! I'm not thrilled about having to rearrange my scarface and gta: sa posters, though.

I can't tell from the site: will they ship it to the usa?

LOL so cheap indeed LOL NICE JOKE!

the artwork is nice but.. its artwork need some real SOLDAT in there^^ and the price ugh...

[dnmr]

Note: the poster has from two to four holes in random unexpected locations.
It also won't stay attached to any vertical surfaces for longer than 24 hours.

[Michal Marcinkowski]

13.49 for a single poster ? SUREEEEEEEEEE

LOL I don't think you know how much posters cost. A basic google search shows that a poster HALF the size costs a little MORE than the Soldat poster. And it is not 13 but 9.99 right now.

How about this stylish tie?

How about Soldat underwear, I've got them.

[Fireman]

13.49 for a single poster ? SUREEEEEEEEEE

LOL I don't think you know how much posters cost. A basic google search shows that a poster HALF the size costs a little MORE than the Soldat poster. And it is not 13 but 9.99 right now.

How about this stylish tie?

How about Soldat underwear, I've got them.

Hell yeah I'll buy those! Link?

[Guile]

pics or it does not exist

i think the price is quite high.. if we look at my countrys economy.

[L[0ne]R]

It is a little pricey (AllPosters.com and Poster.com sell posters at around $9-$16, and 14EU is $20), but I've googled around and found some really expensive stores too, so compared to that $20 isn't that bad of a deal (especially considering that you can't get a Soldat poster anywhere else).

Consider selling more affordable items like cups or mousepads.



Actually.. I think it would be better to wait til 1.5.1 release before selling anything. <_<

[Spi.deY]

13.49 for a single poster ? SUREEEEEEEEEE

LOL I don't think you know how much posters cost. A basic google search shows that a poster HALF the size costs a little MORE than the Soldat poster. And it is not 13 but 9.99 right now.

LOL OH yeah i know =/, as a fan of cinema, i have several posters and i can tell you that this price is just a fucking joke.

But the problem, in fact, isnt the price or the poster MM. You just create another thread (one per year) to ask SOLDAT PLAYERS an amount of money. It seems like an excuse or what..

[Horve]

sell guns

[KYnetiK]

I like the idea youve got here Michael, but you need to fish for what people want a bit further. The price is a bargain for a poster that size, with cheap shipping, and that cant be bought anywhere else. But the fact is, theres nothing to do with Soldat in it at all apart from our familiarity with a rarely used image, and the resemblance to the namesake of a seemingly forgotten gamemode. Its a great picture, but without the word 'SOLDAT' plastered on it, I would never associate the image with Soldat at all.

It was mentioned above, this poster would be cool if it was signed. MMs signature on the poster would give it value, and would actually be relevant to Soldat. This would be the perfect start.

What people want is Mr T with a minigun and jet boots. They want an epic high resolution image of a gostek jetting through another gostek with a chainsaw. They want to something that is always instantly recognizable as Soldat, they want it to look cool, and it must come with the the upmost officiality..

[jrgp]

I like the idea youve got here Michael, but you need to fish for what people want a bit further. The price is a bargain for a poster that size, with cheap shipping, and that cant be bought anywhere else. But the fact is, theres nothing to do with Soldat in it at all apart from our familiarity with a rarely used image, and the resemblance to the namesake of a seemingly forgotten gamemode. Its a great picture, but without the word 'SOLDAT' plastered on it, I would never associate the image with Soldat at all.

It was mentioned above, this poster would be cool if it was signed. MMs signature on the poster would give it value, and would actually be relevant to Soldat. This would be the perfect start.

What people want is Mr T with a minigun and jet boots. They want an epic high resolution image of a gostek jetting through another gostek with a chainsaw. They want to something that is always instantly recognizable as Soldat, they want it to look cool, and it must come with the the upmost officiality..

Definitely seconded, but this poster still looks badass.

[CheeSeMan.]

I like the idea youve got here Michael, but you need to fish for what people want a bit further. The price is a bargain for a poster that size, with cheap shipping, and that cant be bought anywhere else. But the fact is, theres nothing to do with Soldat in it at all apart from our familiarity with a rarely used image, and the resemblance to the namesake of a seemingly forgotten gamemode. Its a great picture, but without the word 'SOLDAT' plastered on it, I would never associate the image with Soldat at all.

It was mentioned above, this poster would be cool if it was signed. MMs signature on the poster would give it value, and would actually be relevant to Soldat. This would be the perfect start.

What people want is Mr T with a minigun and jet boots. They want an epic high resolution image of a gostek jetting through another gostek with a chainsaw. They want to something that is always instantly recognizable as Soldat, they want it to look cool, and it must come with the the upmost officiality..

And thats why i think this poster is just a desperate attempt at some $$!

[Espadon]

And thats why i think this poster is just a desperate attempt at some $$!

Congratulations, you are so fucking clever.

[KYnetiK]

In a civilization built upon the foundations of a monetary system and cyclical consumption, what isnt a desperate attempt at some $$$ ? Everything is. The main point here is that youre more successful when that premise isnt so obvious.

[Kagesha]

i would buy soldat underwear

[KYnetiK]

gives a whole new meaning to the phrase 'head shot'

[homerofgods]

Seams pretty obvious that all you care about with soldat theese days is getting some money, witch is fair enough, but I also think the same as KYnetiK.
Might buy other stuff from the soldat store tho, and it doesn't exactly bother me that this poster is for sale

By the way, is the poster made of paper or some better material?

[CheeSeMan.]

And thats why i think this poster is just a desperate attempt at some $$!

Congratulations, you are so f**king clever.

Cheers but talking about my superior intelligence is going off-topic.

Its a pity, I would have loved some quality poster that actually used some soldat elements =(

[Meteorisch]

like anyones going to buy a poster from a game, you yourself dropped down and left it to others, not worth money sry.

[The Bone Collector]

Definitely. All I'm seeing here is a cash grab. Dude, you've pretty much ditched Soldat... handed it over to a team of developers. You're done. You've ditched not only the game, but those who respected you. Why the hell would I give you fricken money for a poster that is pretty much a cartoon version of Rambo? All it is, is some pretty well drawn Rambo fanart, with the Soldat Logo pasted in there.

You're not getting my money. Sorry boyo...

[RafiPZ]

I don't think it's horrible for MM to try and make cash from a game he no longer supports...he did MAKE the game.

[filip2322]

IMO this would make a better poster

[Blue-ninja]

Give it a little green tint, and we have a really good poster.

[L[0ne]R]

IMO this would make a better poster

I would prefer a little more color variation (red letters perhaps, and a bit more variation in the background), but yeah, thats what a soldat poster should be like.
Though I'm not sure how all those tiny soldiers and stuff will look when printed on paper...

[filip2322]

I got this pic from googling SOLDAT

MM could atleast have made a few pics to choose from

[Vv00t-SN]

YOUR MONEYS.
Give them to me.

[DarkCrusade]

This was so not funny. How do you wanna blame MM for wanting to make money?

[Tekidek]

IMO this would make a better poster

I would prefer a little more color variation (red letters perhaps, and a bit more variation in the background), but yeah, thats what a soldat poster should be like.
Though I'm not sure how all those tiny soldiers and stuff will look when printed on paper...

Make 'em bigger!
Looks amazing to have gosteks in the wall! Shooting at each other!

[darDar]

why do you blame him ?
is it not allowed as a indie dev. to earn some extra money ?
please be happy that you got the opportunity to buy a poster and sh*** the * up if you aint got a clue about earning money.

[The Bone Collector]

is it not allowed as a indie dev. to earn some extra money ?

Sure, if you're still supporting the game. On the other hand, if you've dumped everything on someone else... you shouldn't be cashing in on all their hard work.

EDIT: Mind you, if half (or more) of this dosh he's milking out of the Soldat community went to the current developers for their hard work, I would consider buying a poster...

[DarkCrusade]

Sure, if you're still supporting the game. On the other hand, if you've dumped everything on someone else... you shouldn't be cashing in on all their hard work.

EDIT: Mind you, if half (or more) of this dosh he's milking out of the Soldat community went to the current developers for their hard work, I would consider buying a poster...

Yeah like MM did not create soldat by himself.. some people seem to forget that sometimes.

And noone knows how much the current devs get payed, so hold back your assumptions.

[Mittsu]

i doubt they are paid anything, but i could be wrong

[The Bone Collector]

And noone knows how much the current devs get payed, so hold back your assumptions.

I never said that I wanted to know how much they were being paid. I just said, they are now in control of Soldat, not MM... MM has passed the torch on to someone else, therefor I see no right for him to make all the dosh out of the game and leaving the current devs with empty pockets. You see what I'm saying? Would you go and work for an employer for free, whilst he sat in his office smoking cigars and making all the money?

The question is: Are they being paid? If not, why not? MM's making coin out of this game, so why not pay the devs a little something for their time??

[KYnetiK]

And noone knows how much the current devs get payed, so hold back your assumptions.

I never said that I wanted to know how much they were being paid. I just said, they are now in control of Soldat, not MM... MM has passed the torch on to someone else, therefor I see no right for him to make all the dosh out of the game and leaving the current devs with empty pockets. You see what I'm saying? Would you go and work for an employer for free, whilst he sat in his office smoking cigars and making all the money?

The question is: Are they being paid? If not, why not? MM's making coin out of this game, so why not pay the devs a little something for their time??

Gasp! [un]Common Sense!

[DarkCrusade]

I'm starting to loose my respect for you, Bone Collector. Seriously.

[10th_account]

I take this as a promise to make your character shirtless and sport a bandanna in 1.5.1.

[Vv00t-SN]

This was so not funny. How do you wanna blame MM for wanting to make money?

You missed my point. Its not about the fact that MM wants to make money from his work.
What bothers me, and what provoked me into ridiculing this latest money making scheme, is the fact that he shows us so very very openly how little he cares for us (the community that provides him with a fanbase and money, mind you) AND for soldat, his creation.
Just look at how little effort he puts in anymore.
Its all "hey buy this, register that, gimme gimme and read my blog btw! gtg now!!" every couple of months. And it's been going like this for years.. 

[The Bone Collector]

I'm starting to loose my respect for you, Bone Collector. Seriously.

Pfft... I'm surprised you respect me in the first place. Besides, frankly I don't care. I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you are to yours.

What bothers me, and what provoked me into ridiculing this latest money making scheme, is the fact that he shows us so very very openly how little he cares for us (the community that provides him with a fanbase and money, mind you) AND for soldat, his creation.
Just look at how little effort he puts in anymore.
Its all "hey buy this, register that, gimme gimme and read my blog btw! gtg now!!" every couple of months. And it's been going like this for years..

I completely agree. Mind you, I'm more about getting the Dev team paid for their time. Why not? They're working on MM's behalf, why not be paid for it?

[DarkCrusade]

Mind you, I'm more about getting the Dev team paid for their time. Why not? They're working on MM's behalf, why not be paid for it?

Whoa, hold back your horses! They're A) not forced to do it and B) could get payed if they wanted. I don't know why you rant for people who aren't even bothered, this sounds like nonsense.

What bothers me, and what provoked me into ridiculing this latest money making scheme, is the fact that he shows us so very very openly how little he cares for us (the community that provides him with a fanbase and money, mind you) AND for soldat, his creation.
Just look at how little effort he puts in anymore.
Its all "hey buy this, register that, gimme gimme and read my blog btw! gtg now!!" every couple of months. And it's been going like this for years.. 

It's an offer after all. Wanna buy it? Do it. Don't? Well, guess what. It's MM's decision what he does with/to Soldat and its community. Still feel you need to say something important about it? Blog about it.

EDIT: Don't think I support MM, but that's just the way things roll nowadays and you gotta face it.

[thegrandmaster]

I think MM is entitled to whatever he wants. Sure, he isn't active much in the community, but he made the dang thing!
I think it's a good idea to sell merchandise like this to generate some income for himself, and I would dole some out to the devs for the work they've done so far and are doing.

However I would agree that the image used in the poster does not represent Soldat at all, so I personally wouldn't be tempted to buy it. If it was alot more Soldat-ish e.g. the image attached in this post

IMO this would make a better poster

Then more people would buy it imo.

[L[0ne]R]

If MM actually interacted with the community even a little, if he actually showed intetest in what we'd like to buy and what we can buy - the whole merchandise thing would create a better impression and would have higher demand.
Oh well, it's his loss.

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Think back to a few months ago. We should be happy we got new developers for Soldat in the first place. We might not have gotten even this much. While it would be nice if the new devs got a little something for their efforts, I also think we should stop pestering MM asking for even more.

If you want to support the new devs - perhaps they could set up a paypal account for accepting donations or something. But it's up to them.

[RemiX]

I'm not gonna give someone money so they can pay there bills when they have very little to do with the game anymore. I'm sure he will still look over some codes the new Dev's make for the game, but other then that I'm sure he is focused on Link-Dead.

Now if Shoozza or any other Dev said that they were selling soldat posters or gear. I would buy that just because I know they are actually working on the game. With MM my money will go straight to bills and then you probably wont hear from him till he needs some more money, but with Shoozza I know that he is supporting us and so I would be willing to help support him.

[The Bone Collector]

RemiX is the point I'm trying to make. I won't support someone who isn't supporting the game anymore!

[darDar]

RemiX is the point I'm trying to make. I won't support someone who isn't supporting the game anymore!

You should not buy a poster to support someone.
Its just merchandise.

[Vv00t-SN]

What bothers me, and what provoked me into ridiculing this latest money making scheme, is the fact that he shows us so very very openly how little he cares for us (the community that provides him with a fanbase and money, mind you) AND for soldat, his creation.
Just look at how little effort he puts in anymore.
Its all "hey buy this, register that, gimme gimme and read my blog btw! gtg now!!" every couple of months. And it's been going like this for years.. 

It's an offer after all. Wanna buy it? Do it. Don't? Well, guess what. It's MM's decision what he does with/to Soldat and its community. Still feel you need to say something important about it? Blog about it.

EDIT: Don't think I support MM, but that's just the way things roll nowadays and you gotta face it.

Ahem, yes, I do realize that it is his right and his choice to do whatever the hell he wants, and I am aware that its an offer and not forced upon me. But hey, if MM gets to be callous, then I - and everyone else - get to be critical of his attitude.
I dont see why you feel the need to jump up to his defense though. I assure you, he doesn't give a damn either way.

[DarkCrusade]

I just try to make sure you realize you waste your energy here.

[Mittsu]

and how do you not waste your energy here the same way, dark crusade

[filip2322]

You guys have gone way off topic...i for myself might buy the poster IF he makes more to choose from

[Meteorisch]

I just try to make sure you realize you waste your energy here.

he already wasted his time for 3200 post already wtf do you do all day

[Madow]

I'd really love to know how many of you actually purchased one of these posters.

[n2j3]

find the guy who made this and force him to make a poster


found in google images

[jrgp]

find the guy who made this and force him to make a poster
[..]
found in google images

That's actually ancient: http://static.soldat.pl/downloads/wallpaper.jpg

[thegrandmaster]

find the guy who made this and force him to make a poster
[..]
found in google images

That's actually ancient: http://static.soldat.pl/downloads/wallpaper.jpg

But multitudes better than the rambo kill 'em all dude.

[scarface09]

Not enough money coming in for Michal huh. So he feeds off the faggots who play this game to support his new one. Ahh I got him worked out. Thats why I quit.

[Madow]

Not enough money coming in for Michal huh. So he feeds off the ***gots who play this game to support his new one. Ahh I got him worked out. Thats why I quit.

That's not fair at all. Soldat is a fantastic 2D side scrolling game with very few issues, probably even none. The multiplayer is unforgettable and the netcode is bloody magnificent.

MM has a right to what you call 'feed' off his playerbase because his game is great, you should understand that.

[Meteorisch]

blablabla, no support? no money. simple as it is!

[Madow]

Can we get some numbers on how many people actually bought and fell for this?

[KYnetiK]

Like I said, such a venture is a good idea for all parties involved - when its executed properly the first time.

Firstly the technical side of things;

- The team needs a dedicated 2D artist first and foremost.
- A simple logo everybody agrees on (eg a medallion with a helmet on it would suffice tbh).
- An original mascot that is used consistently, and easily recognizable from hi-res to lo-res.

With these ingredients, the artist can have a field day making poster and Tshirt ideas.


Dont forget the importance of good PR!

- Always ask the people what they want and find a reasonable way of providing it to them. See what people would be interested in so you can do all your research. Do people want posters? Or perhaps shirts, mugs, figurines, weapon models, medallion replicas of the logo, dogchains etc etc When people have artwork and characters that they are familiar with, it makes it all the easier to have a product ready with a buyer.
- Trust is crucial for any form of business. If people dont believe that their money is going to the right place, they dont spend it - its that simple. People would like assurances that this money doesnt just go straight to MMs bills - even I have a FT job to support my freelance art work - they want to KNOW that their money is going to support the game and the people directly involved with its development.


Without any of these issues addressed in my opinion, this venture is doomed to failure, and will only damage your current public relations.

[kunderez]

I think the poster looks cool and it is not expensive. I ordered the poster 8th of February and havent got the poster yet... I was just wondering if anybody actually received the poster?

... I dont understand people nagging about someone trying to make money... jealous?

[PQ]

it's still on pre-order. As in 'Coming soon'.

[L[0ne]R]

it's still on pre-order. As in 'Coming soon'.

Haha, I can already see this coming:

*someone pre-orders*
Hey, so when do I get my poster?
*no response*
I still didnt get it! MM WHERE IS IT??
*no response*
*a year later*
MM: oh kk i'll see what i can do about the poster
*no response for another 5 years*

[scarface09]

hahah Michal you are a joke u know that...why not invest some of the money into the game and not worry about still trying to "revive" it with all these open source developers. Stop using the community for your own self benefits.

[Shoozza]

hahah Michal you are a joke u know that...why not invest some of the money into the game and not worry about still trying to "revive" it with all these open source developers. Stop using the community for your own self benefits.

If you want me to stop deving, soldat let me know.

[jrgp]

hahah Michal you are a joke u know that...why not invest some of the money into the game and not worry about still trying to "revive" it with all these open source developers. Stop using the community for your own self benefits.

Most of the soldat devs are not primarily open source developers, and if they were they'd probably be better than not. Your argument is flawed and retarded as hell.

[Meteorisch]

what about release sum updates we all know michael doesnt do shit, but there were some others right..!?

[scarface09]

it might be flawed but it is the only way the message will get across to this nubskull.

From: June 04, 2011, 10:05:23 amand Shoozza I couldn't care less...I don't play this shit game anymore because these motherfuckers ruined it.

[KYnetiK]

then..uhh...maybe...erm...quietly f*ck off then?

Soldat is this facet of the internet. If you don't like it, then you can get the hell out!

[scarface09]

Shut up kynetik...I was here before u could of dream of playing this game, don't tell me to get out when it was people like who me who got this game to where it is now

[DarkCrusade]

Oh it's this guy again

[Meteorisch]

The point is that alot of people right here expected some great changes to this game.

But right now everyone lost hope again, because it's going at enesce speed or nothing at all.

(and its kinda weird when you have like 6 devs)

[KYnetiK]

Shut up kynetik...I was here before u could of dream of playing this game, don't tell me to get out when it was people like who me who got this game to where it is now

Erm ... without taking into consideration the simple fact I signed here before you, or that I probably played this game in '02 before you had even grown pubes - longevity has nothing to do with anything, it just highlights the increasing probability of you being a complete and total smeghead. You wanted to make this personal, so lets talk about the perception of your person - immature, rude, obnoxious, egotistic, naive, narcissistic, tactless - lets face it; you reek of teen angst. If you were a day older than 20 Id be honestly surprised (it would seem a better measure of your IQ from this standpoint.) Seriously, if you dont like it, dont stick around just to troll your neuroses.


So lets bring this back -  I know everyone wants the best for Soldat and their play time, but noone will ever see Optimus Soldaticus by pissing off the people who are actually doing you a favour by creating any of it at all. You dont get a good meal when youve done everything you can to annoy the chef.

Yes, it would be nice to have some frequent updates lately, but just have to look at the world around you and get over it - gamers we may be, but its not the centre of the universe. People have lives to live, sh*t to do, money to make to afford the time to sit down a build a free game, whose only real reward is largely satisfying a horde of pasty teenagers.

Maybe the devs are dealing with lots of issues at once, or something really special - it may take time to have something justifiably substantial to show - and with the forum servers have been going through various upgrades and downtimes, it would be easier to hold off that all-important news when the forum actually works. It never ever seems to cross anyones mind that there may be more to a situation than you may already understand. And it also never seems to cross those very minds that acting like a douche may not actually help you understand anything better at all.

/rant

[scarface09]

man...all I know is your full of shit and your post is meaningless because I don't understand internet language anymore because it's for fucking no lives like you. I played this game for fun not for the "love" of any shit, he clearly is not profiting anmore and seeking redemption from the people who still believe this game is alive...go pay $15 american for a poster, what a joke, this game is a joke now, michal is a joke, and yous all are a joke for still believin him and his sidekicks.

[DarkCrusade]

Definition of a troll: One of many unsung internet heroes who are almost entirely misunderstood. Contrary to popular belief, many trolls are actually quite intelligent. Their habitual attacks on forums is usually a result of their awareness of the pretentiousness and excessive self-importance of many forum enthusiasts. As much as people may hate trolls, they are highly effective - their actions bring much of the stupidity of other forum users out into the great wide open.1 (#4)

Of course he understood what you said. But.. he's a troll.

[Meteorisch]

I think Michael is the best game creator ever!

Also soldat is my favorite action fps shooter and i own everybody, now release next version. (Frames per second)

[darDar]

I think Michael is the best game creator ever!

Also soldat is my favorite action fps shooter and i own everybody, now release next version. (Frames per second)

yes your playing soldat from the first day on, continue your story cause i think you know what you´re talking about and should share this with otheres.

[Meteorisch]

I think Michael is the best game creator ever!

Also soldat is my favorite action fps shooter and i own everybody, now release next version. (Frames per second)

yes your playing soldat from the first day on, continue your story cause i think you know what you´re talking about and should share this with otheres.

thanks man i appreciate your reply, gotta love fans

[Illuminatus]

man...all I know is your full of s**t and your post is meaningless because I don't understand internet language anymore because it's for f**king no lives like you. I played this game for fun not for the "love" of any s**t, he clearly is not profiting anmore and seeking redemption from the people who still believe this game is alive...go pay $15 american for a poster, what a joke, this game is a joke now, michal is a joke, and yous all are a joke for still believin him and his sidekicks.

Why do I need to "believe this game is alive" when I simply want to buy a Soldat-poster? Read the first post again. I can't read anything about the development of Soldat, Link-Dead or any other game. It's just about the poster, that's it.
Stop insulting Michal and talking bulls**t. You have no idea what he's doing atm and how ambitious he's being with Link-Dead and King Arthur's Gold. He just built this out of nowhere again and yet already it has ~60-70 players most of the time.

[panda_bear_smoking]

first off i love u MM and one day i will thhank you in persson. soldat has been not one but the biggest influence in my life. soldat is the only game.

hahah Michal you are a joke u know that...why not invest some of the money into the game and not worry about still trying to "revive" it with all these open source developers. Stop using the community for your own self benefits.

i got a life time ban for less . .wtf has happen have we fallen so far. MM didnt fail u, u failed MM. wtf dickfor. if i had a child and knew some how that he was going to be like u in any way even looks  i would play kick the baby ... off a cliff then.... shoot it ,   


btw dev isnt allways good. u wouldnt want an artist* updating your fav painting every now and then

[darDar]

when will the marriage be ?

[panda_bear_smoking]

when will the marriage be ?

when MM agrees

[scarface09]

Panda, as you can see I have been a member of these forums for a very long time. My say has a lot more input and value than yours and I'm trying to get a message through. But I guess retarded fucks like you can't see it.

[KYnetiK]

In Papa New Guinea, there's a tribe where the conceited and self-absorbed are killed by the rest of the village, and then evil spirits are driven away with a drum made of his skin. Superstitious nonsense, of course, but one can see their point.

[Shoozza]

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