Author Topic: Necessary weapon name changes (Read 9665 times)

falcon. · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2013, 05:12:47 am »

for us the old chainsawers (chainsaw users) we called him always saw.

Fake name

Chainsaw: Saw.

biohazard · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:15:34 am »

Law suit would be quite the free ad, also mm would be suited not the community coders.

Shoozza · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2013, 11:15:44 am »

Quote from: biohazard on February 28, 2013, 08:15:34 am

Law suit would be quite the free ad, also mm would be suited not the community coders.

Don't think it would be of any help and I think I should encourage it.

Quote from: falcon. on February 28, 2013, 05:12:47 am

for us the old chainsawers (chainsaw users) we called him always saw.

Fake name

Chainsaw: Saw.

Well Chainsaw name will not change. But as for the alternative weapon name text file that could be done.
Also M134 SAW would be a bad name then. I guess we should take M134 LMG instead

L[0ne]R · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2013, 01:57:46 pm »

My Vote: USSOCOM .45 Tactical Pistol Desert Eagles .50 Double Eagles HK MP5 MPK Navy 5; MPN 5 Ak-74 Kalashnikov A74 Steyr AUG Stag 55 LAR; StG 77 LAR Spas-12 Pounder S-12; Thumper S-12 Ruger 77 Kruger K77 M79 M79 Barrett M82A1 Baguette M107A9; Baretta M82A1 FN Minimi M249 LMG XM214 Minigun M134 Minigun Flamer Flamethrower Rambo Bow Rambo Bow Flamed Arrows Flaming Arrows; Fire Arrows; Explosive Arrows Combat Knife Combat Knife Chainsaw Chainsaw M72 LAW M72 LAW

In regards to "Baguette" - let's face it, Soldat isn't such a serious game, and "Baguette" is not such a silly name as "MR ONE SHOT!", so personally, I wouldn't mind it being official.

Baguette and Barrett look and sound a bit similar. "Baretta" is a nice alternative though that stays close to the original.
MP5 - Keep in mind that there is already an "MPK-5", so I'm not sure how safe my suggestion is. I'm also not sure about using "Kalashnikov", although really it's a person's last name, they can't sue for that, can they?

Biscuiteer · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2013, 02:46:11 pm »

Actually, i'm liking Loner's weapon names. They still sound like real weapons without sounding generic.

Here's my opinions on the above:

I'd prefer the MPK Navy 5 name over MPN 5

Ak-74 to Kalash x74a | Using the name Kalashnikov may be restricted, i mean it's a brand name, right? Using the abbreviated name, and a little number tweaking, should make it recognizable but still legal.

I like the sound of StG 77 LAR over Stag 55 LAR

If we can use the Baretta name for the Barrett, i'd prefer that.

For the flamed arrows, it sounds better to me if they were called 'flaming' arrows instead.

14th_account · « **Reply #25 on:** February 28, 2013, 04:32:27 pm »

Quote from: Shoozza on February 27, 2013, 09:20:01 pm

Ok so since it's best to keep the old weapon names where possible here a list of weapons which will keep their old names:
Rambo Bow

I think the lawyers representing the estate of Millennium Films might disagree to this.

Vucgy92 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 28, 2013, 06:18:29 pm »

Looner made a great work at namin em" just kalashnikov should be Kalash like KFC said

L[0ne]R · « **Reply #27 on:** February 28, 2013, 06:41:42 pm »

Thanks, though some of the credit goes to other contributors, since I used some parts from their ideas. I'm still not sure about the name for Spas-12. I like the S-12 part, but "Pounder" or "Thumper" don't really sound.. right to me. Those words have absolutely no link with Spas. "Super S-12" sounds better but also cheesier. :/

Biscuiteer · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2013, 01:28:07 am »

I've got a couple more suggestions:

Spas-12 to FPA-12 Special | Given that the name of the company that created this weapon was called Franchi, maybe we can stir that along with the original name to create something new. FPA-12 is the result.

Barrett M82A1 to BFMAR 500 | I used a similar process to create this name. Using the initials of this weapon's manufacturer changes the tone of the name, but I'm not sure if we can keep that tone if we are to avoid potential legal issues.

If you don't like the BFMAR 500, then i have an alternative: AMR-T28 Scoped. This changes the name even more from the Barrett, though, but it does sound fairly good.

Tarrega · « **Reply #29 on:** March 05, 2013, 08:15:21 am »

the ones i personally like among shoozza's suggestions.

nice and generic:

USSOCOM: Pistol
Desert Eagles: Dual Pistons
HK MP5: Submachine Gun
Ak-74: Assault Rifle
Steyr AUG: Bullpup Rifle
Spas-12: Shotgun
Ruger 77: Hunting Rifle (this is very cool actually)
M79: Thumper (

nice)
Barrett M82A1: Sniper Rifle
FN Minimi: Machine Gun
XM214 Minigun: Chaingun (my favourite)
Flamer: Flamer
Rambo Bow: The Bow (Tribal Bow, maybe? Or something exotic like, something that will give the impression of some tribal/ancient "the one bow" or something, maybe the medieval sounding Holy Bow or i dont know. something outlandish/exotic would really fit the rambo bow)
Flamed Arrows: - (something related to my bizarre idea)
Combat Knife: Combat Knife
Chainsaw: Chainsaw
M72 LAW: Bazooka (sounds quite fun to me)

biohazard · « **Reply #30 on:** March 05, 2013, 09:46:57 am »

Hazard Deagles for DE

Poop · « **Reply #31 on:** March 05, 2013, 10:22:34 am »

I think this is a little silly.

I am not a lawyer but common sense tells me that a lawsuit will not happen when the cost of filing the lawsuit will clearly outweigh any damages that might be claimed by the plaintiff. I think this is probably the case with soldat's meager revenues (If it still generates any at all).

However, if this going to happen, I would keep as many names the same and have generic names for the rest.

Vv00t-SN · « **Reply #32 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:51:48 pm »

Quote from: Poop on March 05, 2013, 10:22:34 am

I think this is a little silly.

I am not a lawyer but common sense tells me that a lawsuit will not happen when the cost of filing the lawsuit will clearly outweigh any damages that might be claimed by the plaintiff. I think this is probably the case with soldat's meager revenues (If it still generates any at all).

Thats roughly my thoughts on this as well.
Not only would nobody bother to sue soldat devs, there is also -afaik- absolutely no legal precedent for doing so. Just because a few game developers chose not to use real (trademarked) weapon names in their games does not mean there is an actual risk of legal action whatsoever.

Also, you wouldnt get sued right off the bat. First youd probably get a nice cease and desist letter or whatever the equivalent is in wherever those legal proceedings would be filed.
In that unlikely event, there'd still be more than enough time to put out a quick fix with generic names.

Sheesh ... you'd think this game had no actual code problems.

Shoozza · « **Reply #33 on:** March 08, 2013, 02:38:38 am »

Quote from: Vv00t-SN on March 07, 2013, 04:51:48 pm

Quote from: Poop on March 05, 2013, 10:22:34 am
I think this is a little silly.

I am not a lawyer but common sense tells me that a lawsuit will not happen when the cost of filing the lawsuit will clearly outweigh any damages that might be claimed by the plaintiff. I think this is probably the case with soldat's meager revenues (If it still generates any at all).

Thats roughly my thoughts on this as well.
Not only would nobody bother to sue soldat devs, there is also -afaik- absolutely no legal precedent for doing so. Just because a few game developers chose not to use real (trademarked) weapon names in their games does not mean there is an actual risk of legal action whatsoever.

Also, you wouldnt get sued right off the bat. First youd probably get a nice cease and desist letter or whatever the equivalent is in wherever those legal proceedings would be filed.
In that unlikely event, there'd still be more than enough time to put out a quick fix with generic names.

Sheesh ... you'd think this game had no actual code problems.

Don't forget that you can always change the weapons names back by coping the old Soldat/txt/weaponsnames.txt over the new one.

Vv00t-SN · « **Reply #34 on:** March 08, 2013, 08:23:15 am »

Shoozza: I knew youd say that. That wasnt my point. I dont care what theyre called personally, but as a principle I find it silly to worry about (imo) imaginary threats like this.

14th_account · « **Reply #35 on:** March 08, 2013, 02:03:20 pm »

Don't be so sure of that. Private people are getting sued left and right all over the world by trolls like Lodsys, MPAA and RIAA, to name a few. And Soldat is hosted in USA where the laws are especially bananas.

Ymies · « **Reply #36 on:** March 08, 2013, 04:39:37 pm »

better start sharpening those polygons, i heard that apple holds the patent over round edges

biohazard · « **Reply #37 on:** March 09, 2013, 02:02:50 pm »

The Pitagorean Sociecity is all about triangles ;/ take care

L[0ne]R · « **Reply #38 on:** May 13, 2013, 02:00:26 pm »

EA has recently dropped licenses for some of the guns in their games, and TotalBiscuit has provided some interesting insight on the topic. I think it's worth a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uWxuEDeod4#t=9m13s

DutchFlame · « **Reply #39 on:** May 14, 2013, 10:32:24 am »

Quote from: L[0ne]R on May 13, 2013, 02:00:26 pm

EA has recently dropped licenses for some of the guns in their games, and TotalBiscuit has provided some interesting insight on the topic. I think it's worth a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uWxuEDeod4#t=9m13s

good lord we can start fixing bugs again!

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Author Topic: Necessary weapon name changes (Read 9665 times)