Author Topic: Necessary weapon name changes (Read 9683 times)

Shoozza · « **on:** February 16, 2013, 02:39:36 am »

Hi I wanted to ask you about new Soldat weapon names.
I think we have to rename the weapons because of trademark issues.
Most weapons also don't really represent the real weapons (M72 LAW can shoot more than once etc).

I had a few ideas and would like to hear your suggestions.
1) Generic names
2) Fake weapon names
3) Military codes names

Here is a template for your suggestions (put in [ tt ] ... [ /tt ] tags:

Generic names USSOCOM ? Desert Eagles ? HK MP5 ? Ak-74 ? Steyr AUG ? Spas-12 ? Ruger 77 ? M79 ? Barrett M82A1 ? FN Minimi ? XM214 Minigun ? Flamer ? Rambo Bow ? Flamed Arrows ? Combat Knife ? Chainsaw ? M72 LAW ? Fake weapon names USSOCOM ? Desert Eagles ? HK MP5 ? Ak-74 ? Steyr AUG ? Spas-12 ? Ruger 77 ? M79 ? Barrett M82A1 ? FN Minimi ? XM214 Minigun ? Flamer ? Rambo Bow ? Flamed Arrows ? Combat Knife ? Chainsaw ? M72 LAW ? Military codes names USSOCOM ? Desert Eagles ? HK MP5 ? Ak-74 ? Steyr AUG ? Spas-12 ? Ruger 77 ? M79 ? Barrett M82A1 ? FN Minimi ? XM214 Minigun ? Flamer ? Rambo Bow ? Flamed Arrows ? Combat Knife ? Chainsaw ? M72 LAW ?

Would be nice if we could find acceptable names.

Tehbugerz0r · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2013, 03:10:34 am »

Can you be more specific about trademark issues?

As for M72 LAW, I always figured in practical terms it was kind of a one shot deal, with a reload for gameplay reasons. Same reason for the other weapons, I don't really give a damn about gun specifications so forgive me, but I believe they fire much faster and have way smaller clips than they do in Soldat.

So without knowing why there's trademark issues, I can't see anyone agreeing to change the names as it would cause only confusion.

Shoozza · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2013, 04:58:49 am »

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AKA47 this explains it well
Also look there under First-Person Shooters examples.

Vucgy92 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2013, 05:54:07 am »

Quote from: Tehbugerz0r on February 16, 2013, 03:10:34 am

Can you be more specific about trademark issues?

As for M72 LAW, I always figured in practical terms it was kind of a one shot deal, with a reload for gameplay reasons. Same reason for the other weapons, I don't really give a damn about gun specifications so forgive me, but I believe they fire much faster and have way smaller clips than they do in Soldat.

So without knowing why there's trademark issues, I can't see anyone agreeing to change the names as it would cause only confusion.

Theres a version of the LAW , and its reaload-able

Anyway I dont get it abouut what is this Thread About?

Bonecrusher · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2013, 07:15:58 am »

Has MM received any lawsuits recently? If not i doubt they will pay attention to games like soldat. Are all of soldat's weapon names trademarked?

Furai · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2013, 07:31:32 am »

Reposting my ideas from the IRC which I have come up with few weeks ago. I was kinda trolling but not so much. I believe that we should rename weapons to say what they are/do.

Generic names USSOCOM Pistol Desert Eagles Duals HK MP5 Sprayfest Ak-74 Semi-auto Steyr AUG Full-auto Spas-12 Shotgun Ruger 77 Rifle M79 Noobstick Barrett M82A1 Sniper Rifle FN Minimi Machine Gun XM214 Minigun Heavy Machine Gun Flamer Flamer Rambo Bow Rambo Bow Flamed Arrows Flamed Arrows Combat Knife Combat Knife Chainsaw Chainsaw M72 LAW Bazooka

Shoozza · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2013, 07:37:09 am »

Quote from: Bonecrusher on February 16, 2013, 07:15:58 am

Has MM received any lawsuits recently? If not i doubt they will pay attention to games like soldat. Are all of soldat's weapon names trademarked?

It doesn't matter. The reason I want the rename is to be sure it's ok and there is no risk getting sued for such stuff.
There is and will be the possibility to replace the weapons.txt file with your own one.

Still this is a huge change you players that's why I'm asking you to find an acceptable solution.

Vucgy92 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2013, 08:03:28 am »

Ah i got it , its like in CS 1.6 is good at making "fake" names

Generic names
USSOCOM YSP / .45 Tactical Pistol / Pistol / Desert Eagles Nigh-Hawk / HK MP5 Navy 5 / SMG-5 / 9mm SMG Ak-74 Kalasnikov / Best weapon in world / AKR-74 Steyr AUG Bullpup/ Steir Spas-12 Super S12 / 12g Shotgun Ruger 77 Karabin / Bolt-action Rifle / Semi-Auto Rifle / Semi Rifle M79 Thumper / Grenade Launcher / Barrett M82A1 Anti-Material Sniper / 50.cal Sniper / AT Sniper / Heavy Sniper FN Minimi LMG / Light Machine Gun / Support MG / XM214 Minigun Chaingun / Heavy MG / Flamer Flamenwerfer / Flamer - Thats it its not weapon model Rambo Bow Concustive BOW Flamed Arrows Flamed Arrows BOW Combat Knife Knife Chainsaw Chainsaw M72 LAW LAW / Light Anti Tank Weapon / Bazooka / Rocket Tube /

Thats it ...

EDIT Shoozza: please use Tt formatting

14th_account · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2013, 10:00:10 am »

Military designations (legally safe): USSOCOM M1911 Desert Eagles ? HK MP5 ? Ak-74 ? Steyr AUG StG 77 Spas-12 ? Ruger 77 ? M79 M79 Barrett M82A1 M107 FN Minimi M249 SAW XM214 Minigun M134 Minigun Flamer M1, M2, M9 Rambo Bow Flamed Arrows Combat Knife Chainsaw M72 LAW M72 LAW

SyavX · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2013, 10:07:28 am »

I liked Shoozza's version with simplified names. Even their abbreviations (added them just for illustration) are not duplicated:

Quote from: #soldat.devs

USSOCOM Pistol P Desert Eagles Dual Pistols DP HK MP5 Submachine Gun SMG Ak-74 Assault Rifle AR Steyr AUG Bullpup Rifle BR Spas-12 Shotgun SG Ruger 77 Hunting Rifle HR M79 Grenade Launcher GR Barrett M82A1 Sniper Rifle SR FN Minimi Light Machine Gun LMG XM214 Minigun Machine Gun MG Flamer Flamer F Rambo Bow Bow B Flamed Arrows Flame Bow FB Combat Knife Combat Knife CN Chainsaw Chainsaw CS M72 LAW Rocket Launcher RL

Shoozza · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2013, 12:30:27 am »

Ok seems like nobody else has any ideas so I'll post what skoskav and I collected so far.

Generic names: USSOCOM Pistol, Handgun, Semi-automatic Pistol, Pistol, .45 Tactical Pistol Desert Eagles Dual Pistols, Handgun, Semi-automatic Pistol, Pistol HK MP5 Submachine Gun Ak-74 Assault Rifle, Semi-auto Steyr AUG Bullpup Rifle, Bullpup, Assault Rifle, Submachine Gun, Light Machine Gun, Full-auto Spas-12 Shotgun, Combat Shotgun, Carabiner, Ripper Shotgun Ruger 77 Hunting Rifle, Bolt-action Rifle, Rifle, Deer Rifle, Deer Gun, Deer Hunter, Karabin, Bolt-action Rifle, Semi-Auto Rifle, Semi Rifle M79 Grenade Launcher, Grenade Gun, Blooper, Thumper Barrett M82A1 Sniper Rifle, Anti-materiel Rifle, Anti-Material Sniper, 50.cal Sniper, AT Sniper, Heavy Sniper FN Minimi Light Machine Gun, Minimi?, Machine Gun XM214 Minigun Machine Gun, Rotary Barrel Machine Gun, Minigun?, Chaingun, Heavy Machine Gun Flamer Flamer, Flamethrower Rambo Bow Bow, Rambo Bow? Flamed Arrows Flame Bow, Flamed Arrows, Flamed Arrows Bow Combat Knife Combat Knife, Rambo Knife?, Knife Chainsaw Chainsaw M72 LAW Rocket Launcher, LAW, Light Anti-Tank Rifle, Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher, RPG, Rocket Propelled Grenade, Bazooka, Light Anti Tank Weapon, Rocket Tube Fake weapon names: USSOCOM MOSSOCON, COSSOCON, COLOSSON, Falcon, YSP Desert Eagles Deagles, Eagles, Hazard Degals, Expert Degels, Brezert Seagels, DD50 Tokarev, Nighthawk .50 C, Nigh-Hawk, DD50 Eagle HK MP5 MPK, HMK NP5, ZMG, Viper 5, Navy 5, SMG-5, 9mm SMG Ak-74 AKA74, AK7 Soviet, Akm 74/2, KM Sub-Machine Gun, CV-74, Kalasnikov?, Best weapon in world?, AKR-74 Steyr AUG Spreyr AUK, Steir AUG, Styer AUR, AR16, Dragon-33, Steir Spas-12 Spark-14, SPSA14, Threaded SPSA-14, SP12, SP12 Shotgun, Gras-12, Frinesi Special 12, Frinesi Automatic 12, Super S12, 12g Shotgun Ruger 77 Kruger M40, Kruger K74, Rudger K774 M79 RL79, RL-N97 Barrett M82A1 Baguette M107A9, Ferratt N82S, Berratte N82S FN Minimi FMG Mimini, FMG Minini, FMG Minim, FN Fantom, LMG, Support MG XM214 Minigun NX244 Minigum, NX241 Minigun, O'll Painless, Heavy MG Flamer ? Rambo Bow Concustive Bow Flamed Arrows ? Combat Knife ? Chainsaw ? M72 LAW LAWL RL72, RL-N27 RAW, LAW-L92 Military codes names (legally safe): USSOCOM M1911 Desert Eagles ? HK MP5 ? Ak-74 ? Steyr AUG StG 77 Spas-12 ? Ruger 77 M40 Rifle M79 M79 Barrett M82A1 M107 FN Minimi M249 LMG, M249 SAW XM214 Minigun M134 Minigun Flamer M1, M2, M9 Rambo Bow ? Flamed Arrows ? Combat Knife ? Chainsaw ? M72 LAW M72 LAW

If you have ideas for more weapon names let me know.
Also if you want to vote for some weapons list them (again with [ tt ]) here is the template:

My Vote: USSOCOM ? Desert Eagles ? HK MP5 ? Ak-74 ? Steyr AUG ? Spas-12 ? Ruger 77 ? M79 ? Barrett M82A1 ? FN Minimi ? XM214 Minigun ? Flamer ? Rambo Bow ? Flamed Arrows ? Combat Knife ? Chainsaw ? M72 LAW ?

chutem · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2013, 12:53:15 am »

Quote from: Shoozza on February 27, 2013, 12:30:27 am

Baguette M107A9

Please this

Ymies · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2013, 08:34:44 am »

would it be able to cause trademark issues if you just shortened the weapons' names and made them official? such as deagles, ak, steyr, barret, law etc

Shoozza · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2013, 09:09:14 am »

Quote from: Ymies on February 27, 2013, 08:34:44 am

would it be able to cause trademark issues if you just shortened the weapons' names and made them official? such as deagles, ak, steyr, barret, law etc

Barrett, Steyr, Ruger are company names. I guess we cannot use them.

Quote from: chutem on February 27, 2013, 12:53:15 am

Quote from: Shoozza on February 27, 2013, 12:30:27 am
Baguette M107A9
Please this

MM liked that one too

. But srsly you want to have that one in the official weapon name txt?

CheeSeMan. · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2013, 02:02:30 pm »

Fake weapon names USSOCOM Pussy Cannon / Coward Cannon Desert Eagles Dual Cowboys HK MP5 Butter Spray! / The Mother of all Sub-Machine Guns! Ak-74 Love from Russia / A Loh Rifle Steyr AUG Beast Assault Rifle / Accuracy is a talent! / Ciesta(c) / Gimme 30? Spas-12 The Pounder / Feel the pound! Ruger 77 Double tap! / The Pew-pew M79 MR BOOM Barrett M82A1 MR ONE SHOT! / SNIPER!!! FN Minimi A Nasty LolliPop! XM214 Minigun Bringing the THUNDER! / Surfboard Flamer Burning the roaches! / Call the fire brigade?! / Feel the heat? Get out of the kitchen! Rambo Bow LongBowMan Flamed Arrows FIREPOWER! (Surely flamed arrows doesn't cause any copyright problems lol?) Combat Knife A Banana! (mod required ) / Slashing and dashing! Chainsaw Call me psycho! M72 LAW Le BoomStick

EDIT Shoozza: please use Tt formatting

Overkill · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2013, 08:41:53 pm »

My Vote: USSOCOM .30 Desert Eagles Twins HK MP5 Shootemup Ak-74 Defensemen Steyr AUG Rushman Spas-12 Booster Ruger 77 Lone Ranger M79 Lock N Load Barrett M82A1 Guile FN Minimi Ratata XM214 Minigun Zoom Flamer Nova Rambo Bow Robin Flamed Arrows Red Rounds Combat Knife Bucky Chainsaw Boogie Man M72 LAW String

Edit Shoozza: srsly guys use the Tt button

Shoozza · « **Reply #16 on:** February 27, 2013, 09:20:01 pm »

Ok so since it's best to keep the old weapon names where possible here a list of weapons which will keep their old names:

My Vote: USSOCOM ? Desert Eagles ? HK MP5 ? Ak-74 ? Steyr AUG ? Spas-12 ? Ruger 77 ? M79 M79 Barrett M82A1 ? FN Minimi ? XM214 Minigun ? Flamer Flamer Rambo Bow Rambo Bow Flamed Arrows Flamed Arrows Combat Knife Combat Knife Chainsaw Chainsaw M72 LAW M72 LAW

Dusty · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2013, 12:50:29 am »

Military names all the way

L[0ne]R · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2013, 02:32:53 am »

What about Minigun? AFAIK it's so widely used it might not be an "official" name anymore (if it even was in the first place)

Shoozza · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2013, 04:43:55 am »

Quote from: L[0ne]R on February 28, 2013, 02:32:53 am

What about Minigun? AFAIK it's so widely used it might not be an "official" name anymore (if it even was in the first place)

We can use the M134 Minigun (which is the actual Minigun used in Predator)

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Author Topic: Necessary weapon name changes (Read 9683 times)