The most overpowered weapon in the game

[a-4-year-old]

It is a lethal weapon, it has the ability to give a 1 hit kill at close range in normal mode, and it overruns every server out there, public or not.

M79? fuck no, the grenade!

Has anyone taken a look at the grenade? It is like a nuclear reactor, unstable as hell, but when it works it is powerful, way too powerful in my opinion.

It is almost laughable how much the grenades are used, people use them with autos, the combination is wonderful, you can use your auto almost as a secondary to your grenades, you can just mop up the mess with a styer or an mp5 for an instant auto kill. or if you are a hair away from death you can lob a grenade and solve all your problems.

For me, grenades coupled with hit detection have made this version almost unplayable.

Solution time!
There are a few possibilities for this problem:
1. Have the grenade deal damage slightly less then half of a player's normal mode health, meaning that 2 grenades would leave just a tiny bit of life left.
2. Take away kill on legshots, it has been a bug since before I started playing and it still has not been fixed.
3. Eliminate grenade boosting by adding splash damage and removing damage to counter the effect, the idea being that it would take a larger portion of the health away so that it wouldn't be effective for someone to grenade boost (themselves)
4. Eliminate grenade boosting by doing just that, getting rid of any boost someone gets when hit by a grenade.

[Snipufin]

Well, I like your way to complain about it, but the idea of grenades is: to explode.
You don't have unlimited grenades, right? And usually nades don't kill a guy with full hp(except feet)
It's made that ppl could use them as a "landmine" and wait that someone idiotic would run into it.
But the reason it doesn't always kill with 1 shot is, that they want people to be able to survive from it.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

It's not overpowered if everyone gets it regardless of what weapon they choose/have equipped. That's why no one complains about them (well, till this thread anyway...)

[MofoNofo]

The only reason there's a kill on leg shots is because usually when you step on a grenade you die. Therefore it's also possible for mid-air leg shots.

[a-4-year-old]

Landmines are alright. when the enemy is not paying attention, but in clanwars i have never seen anyone else use the "landmine" tactic. they usually just throw it and hit your feet. When they don't hit your feet, it still does a very high ammount of damage, and while they may not kill you with 1, they will kill you with 2 or with bullets.

It all depends on your definition of overpowered, What you are saying is basically:

There is no way it can be overpowered, because there is no weapon to compare the grenade to.

I say the grenade is overpowered, because comparing the weapon is irrelevant.
It is very difficult to explain exactly how the grenade is overpowered, There are many reasons why a gun could be considered overpowered, maybe it is too easy to use, maybe it kills too quick, maybe it is causing problems because almost everyone uses them. The grenade is every one of those things.

The overpowered weapon in any game is the weapon that kills so easily that other weapons aren't neccesary, or sometimes even worth practicing to become decent with, while other weapons take practice and skill, the overpowered weapon is a shortcut to winning.

The grenade is 1-5 mini-m79s for everyone's personal use.

The only reason there's a kill on leg shots is because usually when you step on a grenade you die. Therefore it's also possible for mid-air leg shots.

That is a bug, and it is inconsistent with every other gun in the game.

[6th_account]

MM fixed a tiny bug that made their damage a bit random. Personally I don't like the way the damage is calculated. But MM has always been a bit thick when it comes to improving his old solutions.

omg don't tell him i said that

[Replica]

The knife is the most overpowered   I'm serious about that, but I don't expect anything to change and it's just my stupid opinion; but grenades require a hell of a lot of skill to use effectively I've noticed.  The best solution is to restrict the amount you're given, say a max. of 2 or 3.  Spammers are the only people I get annoyed at, mainly 'cause they just throw everything they have in your direction hoping for a kill, it's a waste, doesn't even work half the time, and usually backfire by the idiot stepping on their own 'nade. 

Nades are just a tide-changer if you're skilled with them.  The only drastic change I would think about is to make them easier to see right out of the package rather than have that green.  Possibly. 

Otherwise I think they're perfect as they are, apart from the fact that they don't perform the same damage all the time.  I'd say a full quarter to two-thirds of my nades fail to work like they should.  But as mentioned above, here's to hoping that's fixed. 

[Sytrus]

I actually never heard that it'd be a bug, nades doing more damage too the feet. This is what makes landmines effective.
The nades aren't overpowered. Everybody has them, always. I'd say this is a thing that really shouldn't be arsed with.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Look, as I said before, regardless of how powerful they are, EVERYONE GETS THEM. You could say primary weapons are overpowered; I mean, say someone was using a chainsaw? Anyone could kill him with a primary! z0mgw7f0v3rp0w3r3dn355! Except...Everyone HAS primaries...

You could say someone with height and nades has an advantage, but that's a matter of tactic, as is the whole 'foot shot killing' discussion. (yet another reason so superman, eh?)

[a-4-year-old]

"regardless of how powerful they are, EVERYONE GETS THEM."

When does this point end? At what point would you ever admit that the grenade is a detriment to the gameplay? What would it take? Why do you not understand that giving someone three and four 1 hit kills is not a good idea? If everyone gets them then it is just a race to see who uses them first.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Yeah, but their range makes them much less powerful than they could be, and they're limited, too.

[Replica]

lol - since when do nades provide a definite 1 hit kill.  like i said, a hell of a lot of my nades rarely kill, even from the feet, and I have "0-16" ping with the servers I play in. 

This is worse than the whining about the m79.  Nades rarely instakill (sometimes requiring up to 3 or maybe even more to kill), have a shorter range, take longer to fire/throw, are more difficult to aim with, and still prevent your primary from being as effective as normal due to the time it takes to concentrate on placing a nade. 

Add this to the fact approximately 2% of people have even just some clue of how to use them, and you get a very large non-problem.  Spammers take up maybe 20%, but they're only ever somewhat effective in public servers against, well, noobs. 
If you've got a problem with the spam, learn how to avoid it. 


Also, I remember "Poop" uploading some demos with him only using nades against some clan, and that really showed me that they are completely ineffective in a clan situation as a primary - which is your complaint.  He was having a bit of difficulty, and the clan he was facing was... not exactly something to write home about, so to speak. 

So in short, grenades are a support weapon only effective in the right hands - which happens to be the vast minority of players. 

[Zamorak]

The only bad thing about the grenade is it's consistency. Fix this, and it becomes perfect.

 

[Avis]

The grenade is overpowered, when sprayed, so I usually set the max. amount to 2 or even 1.

The only bad thing about the grenade is it's consistency. Fix this, and it becomes perfect.

/signed

[Blue-ninja]

The grenade is overpowered, when sprayed, so I usually set the max. amount to 2 or even 1.

The only bad thing about the grenade is it's consistency. Fix this, and it becomes perfect.

/signed

And nade spams.

I met a person who camped on the grenade spawn area, and just kept spamming the nades in that hole where the zombies were. Although he killed them all, and I was in the hole and attempting to get back up, his nades kept pummeling me back down. I tell him to stop, but he just kept chucking nades, so I kicked him. >_>

[mar77a]

The only bad thing about the grenade is it's consistency. Fix this, and it becomes perfect.

I agree, and the best part is, as 6th account said, it's fixed in 1.4.

[Mancer]

Agreed. Grenades = most powerful weapon in the game.

All that needs to be changed is the rate of fire at which you can throw them. Make it about 1-2 seconds longer.

[a-4-year-old]

Agreed. Grenades = most powerful weapon in the game.

All that needs to be changed is the rate of fire at which you can throw them. Make it about 1-2 seconds longer.

Seconds? you mean ticks right? I'll just assume you mean ticks, This is one of the better suggestions, it eliminates grenade spam while leaving the things that take [more] skill with the same results.
and yeah, 1.4 will be like gamer heaven with a crouch bug.

[sai`ke]

I love the grenades! There's nothing more fun than dropping a grenade down a chute somewhere to force people to get out of their camp spot

Also, I don't think it's that overpowered to be honest... the idea of shrapnel damage is cool tho. But I'm not sure whether that is possible in the current game engine.

[Twistkill]

The knife is the most overpowered   I'm serious about that...

Um... have you ever used it? If so, do you use it regularly? If so, how easy do you claim it is to use? Does it make the other weapons in the game seem unnecessary? Otherwise, it's probably one of the top 3 hardest weapons to use in the game. You have no supporting evidence. :/

The only drastic change I would think about is to make them easier to see right out of the package rather than have that green.  Possibly. 

Anyone can already do that themselves.