Do you REALY think we should have another weapon ballance now? :o

[Bugs Revenge]

Well, I guess you got it,
I see so many people whine here about the weapon ballace, is it that bad?
do you realy think it should be changed?
"Don't fix something that works fine :X "
I don't think so anyway, I think the weapon mod we have now is just perfect, maybe some more ways to avoid spraying and that's it.

[Plonkoon]

I'm with you, and I'm not really sure why they kept the weapon balance section.  MM probably doesn't give a horse's ass what we think about his balancing job.

[Bugs Revenge]

At least while u say it's not fair say why 

[krasnal]

barret was destroyed (plz remove bink OR delay); its unplayable on clan wars vs m79
rest ~OK (maybe stronger DE)
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[Demonic]

Spraying needs to be weakened, and M79 needs to be tweaked so it won't be over-whored.

[Replica]

I'd rather stick with what we have now... a few underpowered weapons (deagles), a few overpowered in a few situations, but overall it's very playable, and unless the next official weapon mod version is somehow more fun to play with overall (which I don't see happening, from what I've heard the current ideas are), I'd really prefer to just stick with what we currently have. 

In wars the only weapons I don't see used often are the deagles, minigun and chainsaw... 

[jrgp]

no, it's been way too soon since the release of 1.3.1.

I have only just gotten used to the current weapon settings.

Don't do it again for another year...

[Svirin Kerath]

i just used this place to post about balancing modded weapons, too >.>

as for the original ones, i think they're fine but i haven't used them in a while XD

[iDante]

I think steyr and mini need tweeking but other than that its good.

[kalatix]

As has been stated before, the beta crew that does the weapon tweaks wanted to get a head start. So that's why this section of the forums is here. and, people will always want to tweak the weapons, since everyone has a different style of playing. So the threads about weapon developement are definitely necessary.

And MM does care about this, or he wouldn't have put it in the forums. And he wouldn't have made the game in the first place. So I think it's wrong to say that he doesn't care.

[SDFilm]

Spraying needs to be weakened, and M79 needs to be tweaked so it won't be over-****d.

Specifically what kind of spraying do you mean and how do you propose to make that spraying more balanced without making the autos weaker as a whole?

[Rooster]

Make MM disapate bullets after a screens distance. Problem solved forever.

[Twistkill]

Spraying needs to be weakened, and M79 needs to be tweaked so it won't be over-****d.

Agreed with the m79 part. However. Specifically what kind of spraying? Do you mean just blind firing at someone by holding down the mouse button and hoping the bullets hit? Or do you mean shots that are fired from off-screen and hit someone from luck? I assure you that although autos can spray sometimes, not all auto users are sprayers. Just reading the word makes me squirm. >.<

[Keron Cyst]

Barret is now perfect. Spraying could be tweaked but I'm fine if it isn't. The M79, however, has needed nerfing even before the Barret was nerfed...

[Plonkoon]

Spraying needs to be weakened, and M79 needs to be tweaked so it won't be over-****d.

Spraying already got one nerfing, didn't that make you guys happy enough?   

[Poop]

I highly doubt the beta testers get anything worthy from these forums since everyone is so biased in thier own favour. Sprayers will say dont nerf spray its fine, m79 users will say m79 is underpowered, ruger people will say ruger is weak, you get the point.

I think its pretty fair to assume that the next weapon version will be a reflection of Skoskav's view, not really the communities. Even if he cared about listening to the community, nothing useful will be gained from listening to it. Very few are willing to admit the tactic or weapon they use is overpowered.. and at hte end of the day, this is the primary reason the balance will never be fixed in soldat. People are more concerned with thier own performance (which may be diminished if thier tactic is weakened) rather than being concerned with the game in general.

How exactly do you make a change when half the people say weapon A is overpowered while the other half say its underpowered. I think the best solution rather than discussing this stuff on these forums is extremely extensive testing in leagues and public servers, but due to the small size of the community, that would be impossible as well.

[Zero72]

I think the balance right now is the best I've ever seen it. Perhaps the Ruger and the Minigun could be a tad more powerful and maybe the Socom just a bit less, but besides that, leave it. It ain't broken, so there's no point in fixing it.

[5th_account]

I think its pretty fair to assume that the next weapon version will be a reflection of Skoskav's view, not really the communities. Even if he cared about listening to the community, nothing useful will be gained from listening to it. Very few are willing to admit the tactic or weapon they use is overpowered.. and at hte end of the day, this is the primary reason the balance will never be fixed in soldat. People are more concerned with thier own performance (which may be diminished if thier tactic is weakened) rather than being concerned with the game in general.

Exactly! So far only Bug's thread has been related to my balance. The rest concerns 1.3.1 or Demo's old balances, but the thing is that I'm already aware of all problems and possible solutions that's been brought up. Therefore I base my tweaks on my friends' and my own experiances on the gather server. My main selection is deagles and spas, so of course I wouldn't want to risk them being underpowered, but I still try to be as unbaised as possible. I do listen to the community though, yet I know that the general opinion isn't always the right one. I know the socom is a bit overpowered. I know that delay on M79 isn't a good solution. I know that 1.3.1's balance isn't perfect enough to remain unchanged.

[kalatix]

Therefore I base my tweaks on my friends' and my own experiances on the gather server. My main selection is deagles and spas, so of course I wouldn't want to risk them being underpowered, but I still try to be as unbaised as possible. I do listen to the community though, yet I know that the general opinion isn't always the right one.

We have a winner! This is the way we should start considering how to change the balance. Not to upgrade the weapons we like so that we will be better, but to actually look at the weapons overall, not relating them to yourself. If you hate being killed by a weapon, don't say it's overpowered, just deal with it. (personally, I hate being killed by the barret, but it's a balanced weapon.)

[Demonic]

>_>

So, either we go with Skoskav's mod, or Michal implements something very nifty and sexy, which will make the current mod just as perfect.

[Poop]

Im hoping the latter is the case. Especially the solution to spray should be implemented by Michal as the off-screen damage reduction. Considering it was supposedly done to a certain extent this version, im guessing implementing a more extreme version of it like alot of people have suggested would not be too difficult.

[T-Bone]

umm my opinion is that it is good and MAYBE needs some adjustments i chose "hmm the ballace is almost perfect, just some tinny changes"

[Gold]

Meh, people only complain when somebody is really good with a gun and pwns them then they think its un-balanced, maybe they just arent good enough

[Bugs Revenge]

Well, I'm realy satisfied with this poll.
People have agreed that this weapon ballance is :

"No, this ballance is just fine or very close to it, shouldn't be changed.   18 (46.2%)
hmm the ballace is almost perfect, just some tinny changes   16 (41%) "

perfect or realy close to it, it means tinny changes now.
everyone wants some other changes but all in all it's fine.
my problem is getting used to guns, every new version we'r just about releasing a weapon ballance since the old one was problematic - spraying, barret, overpowered guns..
now it's almost fine, there'r not much weapon abust - spraying could be solve by other ways out of weapon ballance, and m79 could be changed a bit as u want.
but, about the others ppl don't realy agrees on a change, so why should they?

try to think about it over again and if u have a good enough reason u'r free to change the weapon ballace however u want

[Demonic]

When I say spraying should be weakened, I mean tactical spraying, which is shooting in your enemy's general direction. When one guy does it, it's not a real problem: but when two people start doing it, they are virtually unstoppable.

It's no big secret that there's an idea to have bullets do zero or very low damage over 1,5 screen distance: if Michal would implement that, we'd get rid of spray once and for all, and we'd really need only tiny changes ( like apply Skoskav's changes to M79 and US socom, but stick with everything else ).

[Zero72]

I'd back the power loss idea, yeah. Even as an automatic user. I don't think bullets over that distance should do NO damage, but a sharp dropoff would be acceptable.

[SDFilm]

As long as its done with all weapons (maybe not the barret) thats fine because it reduces spray without making the weapons weaker in normal combat.

[Bugs Revenge]

should be applied for ALL the weapons but barret and law (and there'r weps like spas and m79 that it wouldn't matter).

[5th_account]

Acctually you can shot with those guns from top down to the bottom routes on Run for example!

[y0da]

I want it all back as it was in 1.2.1!

[swebonny]

Ofcourse its fine...

Just some dumbasses complaining about m79

Sorry dumbasses..