Teams marked by names?

[CrashMan]

I was thinking. "Crash", I says to myself... "It'd really be awesome if everyone on your team could wear their own colors all the time.".

Of course, I tried messing with clan-match mode to achieve that effect, and for the obvious reasons, it just didn't work out so good.

So, I looked around the forum to see if this had already been suggested, and I didn't really see anything, so here goes...

I then says to myself, "Hey, Crash...", I says... "What if team-mates weren't forced to wear red/blue/green/yellow to symbolize their team? Instead, you could tell they were on your team by just seeing their names up there above their head, in the color that represents your team."

Now, I know the first problem that probably comes to your head. "But Crash, what happens when Alpha-team bots die? If their names are already red, how will you know?"

I think the obvious solution is that the team-names will appear in a lighter shade, like pink, cyan, lime, etc.

The point is that lately I've found it a little irksome that Alpha team HAS to wear red shirts and hats, etc, when they could just have some outside marker (like their name) to indicate which team they're on.

And then I know the next obvious problem that comes to your head. "Crash...", you ask me. "If only your team-mates have color-name indicators, how do you know what team the other players are on?"

And to this, I says to you, "It doesn't matter. Because in the end, you are going to shoot anyone who doesn't have a nametag anyway.".

So, whaddya think? Does this sound waaay too farfetched? Possibly doable? Could I actually do this NOW by cleverly modding my game somehow?

[Shoozza]

IMHO it's easier to look at the shirt color then having to read the player name.
Also when you want to shoot someone you look at the player not at his name which is another reason why your suggestion might make things more complicated.

Imagine football players with nicknames in different colors above their head but random clothes - that looks weird to me.

On top of that there is a possibility that a player looks very similar to your teammate.

It is doable but like I wrote above it may not make things easier or more fun and soldat is no rpg (yet ).

[CrashMan]

IMHO it's easier to look at the shirt color then having to read the player name.
Also when you want to shoot someone you look at the player not at his name which is another reason why your suggestion might make things more complicated.

Imagine football players with nicknames in different colors above their head but random clothes - that looks weird to me.

I don't see how that makes things complicated. I mean, the characters themselves are very tiny. If their names were right above their heads you couldn't really miss it now, could you?

Soldat practically does this ALREADY. I don't notice it much because I usually play offline with bots, but when I'm on my server playing with friends, I can see their names all the time, and the names stand out pretty boldly. It's not something you can really be distracted from.

On top of that there is a possibility that a player looks very similar to your teammate.

Like I said. Soldat already does this for people on your team. It shows their name 24/7. Whereas other players only show their names if you train your targetting reticle on them, so there'd really be no confusion at all.

[SpiltCoffee]

In CoD4, you sometimes end up relying on whether the name tag appears as to whether or not to shoot that player. You can usually tell by their character as to whether they are on your team or not, but the name tags help.

I don't know about this, though. I mean, it would be nice, but it could screw quite a number of players over.

EDIT: Even then, though, CoD4 still has each team have a specific character (as in, you can't really change what your dude looks like in the end).

[CrashMan]

How so?

[SpiltCoffee]

Well, if players are used to shooting anyone who isn't the same colour as themselves, changing the system so they have to rely on nametags to tell would bugger up their gamer intuition in regards to Soldat. Plus, it would look messy and an eye sore in TDM matches.

[CrashMan]

Well, if players are used to shooting anyone who isn't the same colour as themselves, changing the system so they have to rely on nametags to tell would bugger up their gamer intuition in regards to Soldat.

While that's true, that doesn't make it a bad change. It just means players need to learn to adapt to the new system. Which, to me, doesn't really seem all that difficult.

Plus, it would look messy and an eye sore in TDM matches.

How would it look messy for players to be able to wear their own colors in Team-match mode? It would basically look exactly like Death Match, except with an ally system.

In case you haven't noticed, Soldat isn't really a pretty game. lol

[Cube2]

don't forget the campers! you don't wanna have a huge banner saying HERE I AM! SHOOT ME! when you're waiting in the bushes for an ambush on the enemy team.

[scout]

I have another suggestion.

 Ditch the name tags and most importantly, Ditch the coloured shirts.

Add coloured body parts and stuff like that. These parts (maybe the  helmet, arms and shins) will be coloured respectively to team colour, and while the UN-coloured areas will be YOUR personal colour.

Think of it as your wearing team based gear

a quick example-


YOUR colour- white/etc.
TEAMcolour- red.

[Dusty]

I have the best idea ever.

Go play DM and leave CTF alone.

[scout]

that idea sucks, play inf, much better.

[CrashMan]

don't forget the campers! you don't wanna have a huge banner saying HERE I AM! SHOOT ME! when you're waiting in the bushes for an ambush on the enemy team.

I said only ally's names should show up above their head so you can tell who your friends are. I understand the importance of enemy stealth as well.

I have another suggestion.

 Ditch the name tags and most importantly, Ditch the coloured shirts.

Add coloured body parts and stuff like that. These parts (maybe the  helmet, arms and shins) will be coloured respectively to team colour, and while the UN-coloured areas will be YOUR personal colour.

Think of it as your wearing team based gear

a quick example-


YOUR colour- white/etc.
TEAMcolour- red.

That doesn't really look much better to me. lol
Maybe just a colored scarf?

I have the best idea ever.

Shut up.

Now with translation!

That wasn't very nice!

[-Major-]

I have the best idea ever.

Go play DM and leave CTF alone.

10^2*3

[Mitak]

Maybe just arrows over all your teammates heads?

And yours - slightly darker so you know who you are in the mess.

[CrashMan]

That would also kick ass.

[L[0ne]R]

I play team gamemodes 99% of the time and I really miss my dark-grey shirt and hat.

~ Tags above players.
I'll call them "team indicators". Makes more sense, since they'd act exactly as player indicators, but for the whole team.
I like this idea the most. I played CoD4 and I gotta say - team tags worked really well, despite the fact that it's hard to distinguish players by looking at the characters themselves. This could work on Soldat too if implemented properly.
This would also help to see your hiding teammates. There were a lot of times when I saw someone's gun sticking out of the scenery, so I would start shooting and nading them only to find out they're on my team.

~ Only enemy team is colored.
I've seen this system in an online shooter/fighting game called S4 League.
screenie: http://www.ataquecombinado.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/329_s4league_SS1.jpg
Your teammares are all wearing their own colors, while enemy team was always red. This would be my favorite idea, but...
What if someone on your team sets his custom colors to red? In S4 League it was solved simply by not having many red-colored clothes, but in Soldat you can pick any color..

Possible solution:
Reserve certain color ranges only for team modes (really bright blue, green, red and yellow, and a range of similar tones, so that any other color you set would always look noticeably different).
Sounds like too much work though. Color limits have to be very carefully picked and adjusted, so that there's enough room for customisation, but less room for cheating. :/

Another, simpler solution:
Only change the hue and saturation value (in other words - color) of the clothes, but leave the brightness value the same as players' custom color. Set a limit on brightness values, so that if somebody's clothes are too dark or too bright - they'd be adjusted to let others see the color.



~This:

Perhaps there could be a setting that would allow you to switch between "team-shirt" or "team-limbs" mode. However shirt stands out better, while limbs are a bit too small and might be harder to notice. It's hard to say without seeing it in action.

[CrashMan]

I play team gamemodes 99% of the time and I really miss my dark-grey shirt and hat.

~ Tags above players.
I'll call them "team indicators". Makes more sense, since they'd act exactly as player indicators, but for the whole team.
I like this idea the most. I played CoD4 and I gotta say - team tags worked really well, despite the fact that it's hard to distinguish players by looking at the characters themselves. This could work on Soldat too if implemented properly.
This would also help to see your hiding teammates. There were a lot of times when I saw someone's gun sticking out of the scenery, so I would start shooting and nading them only to find out they're on my team.

... The solution to that is to not 'nade everything you see. >_> I personally 'test' things like that by shooting them first. At least if it's a bot, it won't fire back if it's on my team. But if it's an enemy they'll counter right away.

But, yeah. A team-indicator would help a lot.

And, once again, for all you nay-sayers, team-indicators would only appear to team-mates, not enemies. This would also go vice-versa for your enemies. They would see their allies, but not you.

So, yes. There will be no issues regarding stealth. You can still sneak around in bushes and be unseen by enemies unless you happen to let your gun poke out like a rookie...

~This:

Perhaps there could be a setting that would allow you to switch between "team-shirt" or "team-limbs" mode. However shirt stands out better, while limbs are a bit too small and might be harder to notice. It's hard to say without seeing it in action.

I still prefer my obligatory-colored-scarf idea to that. If we have to have colored parts, it should be something "extra", at least in my opinion.

[croat1gamer]

I would like more if you could "force" the player colors to your own wish, as the pink, yellow and lime green pants get annoying when trying to play seriously.

Also, being able to change the team colors would be also great (so Alpha =/= red, Bravo =/= blue).

[Crimson Goth]

it's fine the way it is. f11 bro

[CrashMan]

F11?