M79 and Barret Unfair?

[papercut]

I'm just saying that I want M79ers and Barreters to be considerate. Like how you should let a car pull into the road when hes waiting at a stop sign. Like how you should not get in front of someone whos waiting in line. Like how you shouldnt spawnkill, TeamKill, or camp, or freak out at people because you think their reasoning is bulls**t.

When I play soldat, I join dedicated servers and clan servers. I don't have time to wait for people to join my servers. I dont care for making weapon mods. I regret naming my idea for the m79 a "solution". It really is just an idea to make the m79er a little more fun to dance with.

I'm not truly trying to put an end to m79ing and barreting everywhere. Just think that when you are barreting and m79ing people, the person your killing may not think its fair to be killed by such a weapon that he cant predict. Thus if your making the game feel unfair to other people, make it seem more fair by using a different weapon. That's all you gotta do.

[T-Bone]

I'm just saying that I want M79ers and Barreters to be considerate. Like how you should let a car pull into the road when hes waiting at a stop sign. Like how you should not get in front of someone whos waiting in line.

I'm not truly trying to put an end to m79ing and barreting everywhere. Just think that when you are barreting and m79ing people, the person your killing may not think its fair to be killed by such a weapon that he cant predict. Thus if your making the game feel unfair to other people, make it seem more fair by using a different weapon. That's all you gotta do.

papercut i understand what you're saying and i agree on some things, but NO ONE and i mean no one will ever stop using a weapon they like just because it's hurting someone else's feelings.

[Mr. Domino]

I'm just saying that I want M79ers and Barreters to be considerate. Like how you should let a car pull into the road when hes waiting at a stop sign. Like how you should not get in front of someone whos waiting in line.

I'm not truly trying to put an end to m79ing and barreting everywhere. Just think that when you are barreting and m79ing people, the person your killing may not think its fair to be killed by such a weapon that he cant predict. Thus if your making the game feel unfair to other people, make it seem more fair by using a different weapon. That's all you gotta do.

While I agree those weapons could probably be tweaked a bit for the betterment of the game, requiring people who are skilled to dumb themselves down for those players less skilled is just a silly notion to suggest. Instead of taking the time yourself to learn how to evade and counter weapons, you rather others do the work for you and not use the ones you're lousy against. Either learn to play better or stick to servers which ban "unfair" weapons, whatever that may mean to you and others.

[Clawbug]

I'm just saying that I want M79ers and Barreters to be considerate. Like how you should let a car pull into the road when hes waiting at a stop sign. Like how you should not get in front of someone whos waiting in line.

I'm not truly trying to put an end to m79ing and barreting everywhere. Just think that when you are barreting and m79ing people, the person your killing may not think its fair to be killed by such a weapon that he cant predict. Thus if your making the game feel unfair to other people, make it seem more fair by using a different weapon. That's all you gotta do.

If one gets furstrated by some weapon, he might take it by himself, and notice that he gets fucked up on large server.

Those people should be brougth back to the 1.1.5 times, so they'd realize the truth. For newbies, it is easier for them to use auto than a 1shot 1kill, since probably they miss, and then they are easy 30-0 targets on 1v1 server.

[papercut]

papercut i understand what you're saying and i agree on some things, but NO ONE and i mean no one will ever stop using a weapon they like just because it's hurting someone else's feelings.

Are you kidding me? It stopped me from using the barret and m79 in my early days of soldat. It stopped my little brother just recently. It stopped some of my cousins. I can understand that they are the types of people who just won't consider anything because theyre only objective in life is to win no matter what people think. but not no one

@Mr. Domino - I can evade them every once in a while but its not guaranteed. Barrets and M79s are unpredictable to be killed by. You cant tell whether your opponent who is using it is definetly going to kill you or not. Thus making it annoying to be killed by. Other guns offer the ability to predict whether your death is going to happen. I don't know why, but the human brain processes it to be less frustrating to be able to predict it, than to have a 50-50 chance.

[Clawbug]

Well, the people who play to win, do not use barretts or M79 in clanwars, they use autos, spray all over the map with their clanmates, when they face the enemy, enemy has like 50% of health to fight against, in reality they stand no chance to win. This tactic ca not be used very well on public servers tho.

If people quit some game because they get owned by barrett/m79, they are something like a retard..  They just need the skill to win the m79 and barretts. I have no problems to clean up the server with stats of 30/5-10 with Ak, or some other auto. With barrett/m79 it is harder, since making many kills in a row is almost impossible.

[Mr. Domino]

@Mr. Domino - I can evade them every once in a while but its not guaranteed. Barrets and M79s are unpredictable to be killed by. You cant tell whether your opponent who is using it is definetly going to kill you or not. Thus making it annoying to be killed by. Other guns offer the ability to predict whether your death is going to happen. I don't know why, but the human brain processes it to be less frustrating to be able to predict it, than to have a 50-50 chance.

Nothing should be guaranteed! To expect that you should be able to dodge everything thrown at you and then complain about balance issues when you can't is just ludicrous. It's the same mindset of idiots who cry "hax" every time they're killed because no one can possibly be more skilled then them without resorting to cheating. Sometimes you're on the winning side of an encounter, and sometimes you're not. Deal with it and stop trying to neuter weapons just for the sake of your own survival chances. What a boring game you'd turn Soldat into if you nerfed every weapon because you couldn't evade it with a 100% success rate.

[Tai]

*scratches cheek*

Arguably, two shots from the deagle that you didn't see, and it's supposedly unfair. I can't really think of what to say to that. You honestly expect me to believe that barrets and M79s have it easy? What about the guys holding said guns that are hoping they don't miss? Jeez.

[ArmedManiac]

We haved said that multiple tiems(by thay i mean me) It really depends on the place as well. On inf abel, get a blue on the hill and red dont stand a chance if bblue is good, but a good mp5er can kill all at inf warehouse. Its also the map, but yeah, i have seen people with autos kill me faster than a one hit kill, and especially semies cuz you can get off 2 ruger shots before a barret can even fire. you just gotta deal with the occasional one hit kill when your not paying attention or busy with a guy with an auto. A one hit kill is more of a gamble than the autos as well. If you miss, you should be done, and even if you hit you may only get like 1 kill.

[lardlad89]

The m79 has to reload every shot, so if manage to evade that first shot, the m79er is pretty much done for. A Barrett has a shot delay giving you time to dodge, shouldn't be too hard. Besides, the barrett is very inaccurate when your moving, same with when you get shot. Chances are, an mp5 shouldn't have too much of a problem killing a barrett. What does get annoying is when the guy with the barrett starts randomly firing into your spawn from all the way across the map.

[papercut]

The thing that makes the barret and m79 uninteresting to be killed by is that the gun's killing chance is absolutely unpredictable. I don't really reccomend changing the guns, I just want people to think twice about picking it all the time.

Autos are predictable as you can notice the users firing patterns, and decide whether hes a true threat or not. M79s and barrets... you cant. It's just that your either dead or alive. In a sense i regret saying that the guns are unfair because unfair can be varied in so many different ways. I used the theory so that people with a decent mind would think about not playing unfairly and use a gun thats less easier to get instant kills with.

I'm surprised if anyone makes a big deal about not using it because I know that theres has to be one or more times where you hated barreters and m79ers more than any other player of soldat. I've never hated anyone who used any of the other guns, because because fighting them is a little more strategic than just being told tht your dead or told that you survive. There really is no way to propose an absolute escape from m79s and barrets. Dodging can help, but theres no way you can tell if your guaranteed to live. When you assume that you're going to be okay, and then suddenly get blasted, is just not fun. Being attacked by any other gun can somewhat be predicted and escaped.

What does anyone find so wrong that I shouldnt try to convince barreters and m79ers to use other weapons more than the ones they currently use all the time?

[Tai]

I'm surprised you still play this game.

[papercut]

Haha youre one silly dude.

It doesnt drive me though the roof to be killed by these guns, but they are notably more annoying than the others.

I also want to add that being killed by 2 deagle bullets that you didnt see isnt unfair. Being innatentive to whats happening doesnt excuse the gun as being unfair. But being fully focused on a single m79er or barreter is absolutely unpredictable.

And it takes a little more than 2 to kill someone with deagles anyway. I use deagles ll the time and know it takes 3-5, depending on the servers lag.

[Zamorak]

I find that if I am raping newbs I will tone it down a bit. Though if they show the slightest sign of being an ass I turn the heat up.

[Clawbug]

I also want to add that being killed by 2 deagle bullets isnt unfair.

So... 3,5 kills per clip? In how many seconds? 5? How many seconds it takes with barrett to make 3,5 kills? M79? Any other weapon?

Also, if you have played the CURRENT (1.3.1) version you know that barrett has delay, it gives the opponent time to do some action. Also, barrett gets binked pretty easily, just take an auto and SHOOT at barretard, and you have no problems.

[TDL]

Just dropping in to give my side of the story, but first let me introduce myself. I am Dark lord the current (at the time of writing) champion barret at leo's realistic servers.

I would like to mention the fact that I do not use the barret during CWs because there is too much of a chance of me failing to hit. Instead I use the steyr with its good all around usability, not to mention the lack of murder ping. Anyone with an auto can kill me. ANYONE. One friendly bullet and whoops it's time to wait the amount of time it takes to reload unless I want to take my chances with a very inaccurate gun.

Being inattentive to what's happening doesn't excuse the gun as being unfair.

(Edited for spelling)

And that is why the barret is hard to use. Anyone looking at the screen can tell that,yes there's a barret and yes he's going to shoot. What a skilled person does here is NOT always a rush. Jumping up and down at a constantly changing speed is enough to make barret hits luck, unless he is directly under you and you don't shoot at him.

I'm not an extensive barret user. I use pretty much every single weapon. I just find it easier to kill with an auto. Autos have very little bink and I can hit a jumping around target just long enough to kill him. With the barret I need a place to stay put and a second or so to line up a shot. During that time even a major could kill me with an auto since I only shoot a barret with bink when I'm certain it's either that or death.

That was for the barret and for the m79: It should have a little startup perhaps. Anyone skilled with it got any opinions?

I understand what you're saying, though. The suddenness of it all can be annoying, but hey it IS a game and every game needs a challenge or two.

But being fully focused on a single m79er or barreter is absolutely unpredictable.

Being focused isn't that bad. And unpredictability is the sweet part of the deal. If I hit you, you die. But if you hit me the chance of the previous happening lowers much. Lower it enough and I'll run somewhere to reload/unbink and prepare for another battle.

Coincidentally I like to think of the barret as my own, personal handicap. *Looks at clock* Well better go get some sleep now.

Awaiting your response
{USSR} Dark Lord

[chainsoar]

I love my barrett. I don't think it's unfair at all. I use the barret a lot and I find myself getting owned by people better than me with auto weapons often enough (MP5, Aug, AK, etc). It's just a matter of learning to dodge it. I myself am getting better at that all the time. I can actually be quite hard to kill sometimes

[papercut]

@darklord - "I'm not an extensive barret user. I use pretty much every single weapon." I like that quality, and I think all barret and m79 users should do the same.

"Being focused isn't that bad. And unpredictability is the sweet part of the deal."
The unpredictability is bad on the victims side, is it not?

I understand if you like to use the barret, I just prefer that you avoid using it all the time, because the constant act of being killed by only unpredictable weapons such as the barret and m79 are just uninteresting.

[T-Bone]

papercut i understand what you're saying and i agree on some things, but NO ONE and i mean no one will ever stop using a weapon they like just because it's hurting someone else's feelings.

Are you kidding me? It stopped me from using the barret and m79 in my early days of soldat. It stopped my little brother just recently. It stopped some of my cousins. I can understand that they are the types of people who just won't consider anything because theyre only objective in life is to win no matter what people think. but not no one

Then you are all stupid for caring about people's opinions of you on an online game

[papercut]

papercut i understand what you're saying and i agree on some things, but NO ONE and i mean no one will ever stop using a weapon they like just because it's hurting someone else's feelings.

Are you kidding me? It stopped me from using the barret and m79 in my early days of soldat. It stopped my little brother just recently. It stopped some of my cousins. I can understand that they are the types of people who just won't consider anything because theyre only objective in life is to win no matter what people think. but not no one

Then you are all stupid for caring about people's opinions of you on an online game

Is it stupid that the government listens to peoples ideas in order to perfect a better society? To shape a better country? To make the country a better living space for all?